Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My solo perspective the past couple days in minny FW.

Havent been ganked by a recon dunk squad yet. Ive seen them warping around, hitting gates and such. But havent warped into a plex with em waiting.

If i suspect recon dunk squad i warp at 100 to larges, or, open a new medium. Right now if im missing people on dscan compared to local then i move on to the next system. For example, i saw 7 people in local, warped around dscanning like a mofo. No one on scan? Good chance its a recon squad.

I was roaming in a bc and occasionally my newly buffed rapier (which is almost immune to this issue). i think there is going to be an adjustment phase for everyone , but its not "gg fw". You will have to rely on the available tools and common sense instead of dscan telling us everything. There are PLENTY of systems to cap, not all of them are occupied. If you cant plex a system or are unsure of whats waiting, move on. Its not like EVE doesnt have thousands of systems.

FW is a group effort for actual progress. If you really want to have a semi level playing field, invite your militia buddies into a fleet. Otherwise pick your plexes carefully.

My uncanny powers of foresight predict low and w space soon empty of everything but combat recons trying hopelessly to gang each other. At least the rest of us can have fun watching them endure this exercise in futility.

Jokes aside, there will be people discouraged from their current activities since they now include being ganked stupid without any means of defense. Some of them may find other, uninteresting ways to occupy themselves but some might lose the interest in the game alltogether.

Example :

This I summarize as : Where I did plexes before, now it takes ALOT of work and time to do one, IF i am lucky enough to find a system with no one in local. I admire your persistence and optimism Stitch but most people would be discouraged and with every right to be.

Also, lets not forget that not all plexes are in FW, every single solo activity in non highsec space is actually now hindered.
Could I ignore everything and still warp my ship to a solo site and hope for the best? Sure but no thanks, I dont wish to be victimized SO easily. I like to give my killers good sport at least.

So, if a small percentage of my predictions are correct, we have what?

1) Activities prone to stupid immunity ganking dropping to minimum
2) Some people being driven away from the game since their favorite activity is now a big no-no (for "some" use your own estimate, for me even one is too many)
3) Pirates losing interest in PvP and start training trade skills since the two above clauses will eventually make them run out of targets.

...and all this is good for Eve WHY?

Doesnt really take much time. Added an extra 5min at most. Im not looking for only empty systems. Just less populated ones. Again, not every system is going to have recon dunk squads. Thats a strawman argument.

Maybe CCP is saying that dscan was too strong a tool. So they nerfed it. Im sure theres a plan in the future. Plus with new t3 dessies all having combat probe fitting reductions, that will make them a powerful solo boat to scan other sites or FW plexes before entering. Pretty sure 300ish dps is enough to kill the rats in a medium plex. Granted, this may not be ideal, but it is one option available to those more risk averse.

Or, use KB, look up pilots name, see recon kills. Move along.

Now that you have your ship that can't be picked up on D-scan and can cloak making it virtually invisible.

When will i get my ship that has the ability to not be picked up on local chat?

Seems CCP hates wh ppl and blows nullsecers.

Nuthin stopping you from asking in local to just fight at the sun...

All this change does is make the "other recons" actually viable and useful. Don't understand why people are running around like their hair's on fire. htfu

Please roll back this change. I appreciate the intention of providing interesting new parameters to the paper/rock/scissors equation, but this is just way off. The d-scan is an integral tool for anyone roaming in small gangs or solo. If we can no longer trust it, it will lead to more cautious behavior, slower gameplay and less fights. This is the last thing that low sec and fw needs, and will lead to further desolation.

You could make a case saying that cloaks already makes d-scan results non trustworthy. This is true to some extent, but the targeting delay and the inferior combat performance of cov ops enabled ships makes it less of an issue. Also as soon as any cloaked ship has committed to a fight, it is no longer invisible.

I will personally probably stop fighting solo or in small gangs in systems with overwhelmingly red locals. Previously you could dodge most scenarios semi effectively in a fast cruiser or smaller. Of course not risk free, but still worth it for the fun. With potential sensor-boosted, instalocking lachesises, rooks or huginns lurking at every beacon or celestial, the caution needed would tip the scale towards boredom.

I'm sure that I am not the only one who will change their behavior in space like this, and I'm pretty sure it's not a good thing.

D-scan immunity will only extend the time you will jump into fight. Before you just hop into ship and jump into plex. Now you have to scan a plex and if there are recons, you have to decide if you want to take a risk and jump into instalocking ecming camp...rubbish.


Same applies to combat recons, you won't find them unless they want to be find.

It seems like d-scan change made a mess with FW and have no real impact on fleets.

one point about that, There is always a chance to see the cloaked invader when he decloacs/cloacs when passing through gates or wormholes. You have to be working inside the gates scan range ofcourse but still, its a technique that kept me alive for years in w-space.

So, cloaks do have a weakness, a point where they can be seen. Its not as same as you claim.


If CCP wants to encourage PvP as they say, just increase the loot and salvage of players wrecks or something and find a way to reward a small fleet for being small. Simple things like that might lure more people to bravery.
Don't make some kind of ship invisible and some other invincible, these moves help to the opposite.

You must be one of those people who thinks once click jump from highsec to lowsec, they will be ganked and explode instantly. Have you fly around lowsec recently post Proteus? How many total kills do you think involve combat recon? I suspect not that many vs. Total kills in lowsec. For certain the usage has increased. But my suspicion is Rifter probably has more kills than the whole line of Combat Recon.

I personally do not see that many of them. And I fly exclusively in lowsec FW space.