EVE General Discussion

Depends on if they are going for loot or a green killboard and tears. And no, a standard hauler, as in not a freighter, is not going to be surviving that many catalysts. It would be a push to survive 5, which would even be green on the loot side too.

Wrong. Try not trolling so much. Basically you disagree with me, so rather than come up with something sensible to say you are going to attack me, call me a carebear lover, and blah blah blah, the usual tears of someone with the inability to communicate. If you read what I actually wrote, you''d realise you were talking out of your ass. Either way, I'm not arguing this point with you. Troll elsewhere.

Where are you buying your T1 catalysts for 10m a pop? 2.5m tops, and that's if you can't be bothered to wait of buy orders.

If someone's willing to **** money away to kill your ship, maybe you should avoid annoying people?




T1 Catalysts cost you in a much more important area. Manpower. Which is why T2 Catas and larger ships are so popular with gankers.

First two Freighter Ganks on zkill have more than 50% of their damage done by ships bigger than Catalysts.

Modern society created weaklings who have stopped understanding
that being able tk protect ones self is of utter most importance.

Instead people obey to a protective authority.

The whole art of civilization is to set layers between violence and the individual. That allows those who can't protect themselves to make it alive through deadly perils such as being a child and going to school in some countries.

In EVE, everybody is armed and nobody is safe. RL is the same but with irreversible consequences.

There are two statements, which one you call false and why?

While this being true, it is irrelevant to the matter of the game.

I repeat...

Society creates weaklings who forgot that it is of utter most importance to protect ones self.

This got so bad, that people even do not want to protect themselves in a game.

Remember... this is a game.

Proof of this point can be seen on the forums,
including this thread.


What's sad, is that each new generation will cry more for protection of said authority,
because they are used to said protection and every new blow to their perceived security
will make them cry for even more protection.

Matters of facts, as can be seen in real life.
Real people play this game!

Opinions on the matter are irrelevant.

What's reality can be seen on the forums, almost daily.

deal with it

A huge misunderstanding comes from the idea that CONCORD provides protection.

They do not.

At all.


They come and kick my ass either before ...
... or after the job is done ...
... but either way I already started engaging.


They do not provide protection ...
... as they do not prevent me from attacking anyone.


"Protection" means that someone is preventing harm from being done.


CONCORD punishes ... but does not protect.

Interesting angle this conversation has turned towards.

That of the perception of protection and feeling safe will require more and more steps as people over come the perceived barrier.

While Concord does not provide protection, merely consequences, those who fail to understand this fine distinction will be calling for more and more steps until we're taken over by robots and can't undock or buy things from the market without going through several pop up warning screens to ensure this is actually what we want to do and can fathom the possible dangers of our actions.

Eve is ten years old, and it's always had a divide between player styles, those that merely want to build and create; and those that don't enjoy spreadsheets who just want to attack stuff in a pvp game.

Neither side is wrong per se. The anti-pvp side fail to appreciate the team work, communication and time spent in order to pull off a successful attack - profit in ISK or tears, if the anti-pvp crowd fail to provide both, perhaps they won't be targeted as often? The anti-spreadsheet, combat side under appreciates the time, team work and effort it requires to set up and keep a supply chain going.

Of course the previous paragraph was a total generalisation and wrong for so many people who actually do both and appreciates both for what they are.

I think we as players should step out of our comfort zone more often. Do something against our nature, in order to understand 'the enemy' and become better at our primary focus in the game.

I felt free to sum up your post ...
... which makes it applicable to both ingame- and actual reality.