Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hrmp. A mandatory skill everyone who ever made a little ammo for personal usage had to have at 5 gets changed to a time bonus skill ... To be frank I would have preferred to get that SP in green as with just 3% per level speed bonus it is kind of pointless to take that skill to 5 unless you are really hardcore industrialist.

So that leaves one with a hard decision on how to justify such skill at 5 that would be just fine at 4 for most people. If you introduce additional skills that are actually useful and need this at 5 you end up with the old situation where you need to have that skill at 5 to participate in industry in meaningful way. Because it's a prerequisite for something actually useful. If you throw in there a small amount of relatively useless skills it does not justify having that skill at 5 after such a serious change to it. Ohwell - ofcource I have some skill ideas (some are already mentioned in the previous pages as well)

(*) NPC tax reduction (do note than your standings should also count, same as they do when you do market orders). I would leave tax reduction from standings slightly larger than from skill as +10 standings are very significant grind for most people.
(*) Ability to use teams some amount of jumps away (perhaps at inceased fee and additional skill that lowers that additional fee back towards normal). For example: You can use a team up to 5 jumps away with each jump increasing the team fee additional 20% (at 5 jumps the team fee is double that what it would be in your home system). Additional skill lowering the remote team fee by 10% per level. So you would end up at only 150% at 5 jumps instead of 200% of the team fee at max skill.
(*) Additional manufacturing/research slots (obviously)
(*) Specialized manufacturing skills or changing specific construction skills that they give some additional bonus to T1 manufacturing as well. For example: Battleship construction providing x% per level time bonus to all battleship construction jobs. Similar skills for modules (or specific module groups), anchorables, drones, ammo, etc.
(*) Branding? Is it still in the plans? Some additional modifiers?, say that you can change the base items stats by 1% per level in combination with branding (would make balancing a nightmare ofc). Example: Ballistic Control II - base item has 10.5% ROF and 10% damage bonus. You increase ROF by 5% so the new RoF bonus is 11.025% - if needed you can penalize all other stats by the same percentage as well. Then introduce additional skill to lower these penalties to, say, half of the default. Probably a bit too big undertasking to just add couple new skills ;) But that is how a sandbox manufacturing should work. Give a player pile of points and let him minmax stuff.

Maybe CCP Greyscale would be kind enough, to issue a survey on Advanced Industry.

They've gotten a week or more worth of ideas. Now would be a good time to survey the player base and see how they feel about it all.

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P.S. Sorry about my comment before about people no reading! But, there are a lot of redundant points being made. Which, at least in my history of looking for topics or points, hurts the over all develop.
A simple +1 to ***** skill would awesome.

p.p.s. I'm still not standing for any skills that reduce ME/TE father than they are. . . Though thinking about it. Any specialization skill would need something that helps that player niche the market on that item.
I'd feel much better for "hybrid" skills. Things skilled by the CEO/Directors that effect player corps. A lot of the ideas presented above would work with this. Also, it would help move people from NPC corps, and look for a corp with the play style they want to join in on. Would need a similar system for corps who like focus on the other game "jobs"

Cronyism - Gives a small standing bonus to NPC corp and/or faction based on what is built and where.

For Instance: Building a raven at a Caldari NPC corp, would give a 0.005% standing increase to that station's owning corporation and the faction. It would also give negative standings to Gallente faction, in this example.

Building a Domi at that same station would give no bonus of any kind.

I just realized something which I did not think of before for some reason. With the removal of production efficiency skill (renamed to that adv industry) any character you have is already a perfect builder. Somewhat slower at it than your previous "perfect builder" but hey, who cares. You can now trump quality with quantity.

Granted if you already had all 3 slots per account trained up to be good builders it will not do a lot for you (because adv industry is kinda meh) but because of the limitation of slots it might have not made sense previously in many locations / situations. Now, however, just push them to 10 slots each.

You removed region boundary for remote job control and this is cool.
Now I would like to see a skill that allows players to see market orders +5 systems farther per level.

Also I would like to see manufacturing/science jobs count hardwiring.

Removed a rumor post.

Quoted from a reddit thread :

"We dont want any rough barriers to entry for industry so we've murdered ME behind the wood shed."
"Hey guys, we're adding an entire new skill tree with AI-V as a prereq!"

I'm not industrialist, but will this not make more supers produced faster?
Do we really need this?

Why we cannot make this skill bonus something else than speed of new supers introduced into the game.
If you relay want to make it affect production time.

1 item produced = no bonus
2 or more items produced = 3% * skill level to Time Efficiency.

This way the stuff that is bad to this game will not be produced much more faster.

Just to clarify what the AI skill does.

It doesn't add to the blueprint's TE. It multiplies against it.

So at max levels, it's not a 35% reduction. It's a 32% reduction. Addition reductions (from POS arrays, for example) multiply in as well, so the 25% reduction of a POS doesn't make it a 60% reduction. It makes it a 49% reduction.

Of course, you already have the 20% reduction from Industry, so that takes it to a 59% reduction, rather than a 80% reduction.

I'm actually finding it handy for invention.

It's dropping some of the longer runs into a time frame where I can do two per session.

anyway:

Skills which gate basic functionality are bad. (like the learning skills)
Skills which gate advanced functionality are fine.