EVE General Discussion

So then you're telling me that Jita is... not... choked to death with haulers and such? But hey, turns out the predators like the waterhole too.

Or is it a problem that they are allowed to die at all?

YEt is barely ever used on its advertisement. Seems all advertisement about eve is"look shiny space ships.. in huge blobs".

If eve was more advertised as the supreme social engineerign game, then you would be right.

Who cares what people think - the only ones that can say anything about EVE are the ones who played it.
And from the ones who played it, the ones who stayed.
Stop worrying about EVE's reputation when as Ramona said - it's probably it's strongest selling point.
If that would have been an issue CCP would have at least tried to address it. But it doesn't - check the "Be the villain" adds on sites.

EVE is like Game of Thrones - when you play it you live or you die.
Also IMO it's not a game - it's more of a social simulacrum with internet spaceships - or "case study into human nature if X technology was available".

And also would you care what a pink-armored-level-gaziliion-cow-paladin thinks? I mean honestly....
When their game would allow things like Asakai or B-5R, they can come and tell me how much my game sucks...till then enjoy grinding your epix.

Yup, eve is dyin

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

EVE has almost never hit 60K active concurrent users except on a handful of rare occasions. Second thing; your EVE experience is as positive as you make it. Clearly you haven't found the right method of achieving that yet.

I did.

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

The 'traditional style' gamers will never ever understand that, hell, at the end of the day they don't really understand the consequences of what they keep asking CCP for daily on these forums.

What you said is a major point to me: EVE is one of the few games that (imo and for the most part) treats players like adults and says "it's up to you". Many of those who complain about this (but still choose to play) aren't really complaining about the game's mechanics and culture, they are really complaining about their inadequacies and inabilities.

Like their inability to stop playing a game that they don't really like. I don't know how many times I've read on here that someone was playing 'because of the game EVE could be' or 'I like spaceships and there are no spaceship games' (like Star Trek Online doesn't exist lol).

I think that in game as it is in life, there will always be those uncomfortable, malcontented people who honestly believe that a situation that's perfectly fine as is needs to 'change simply for the sake of change' and those types will always be pissed off when things don't move fast enough for their tastes.

Progress, change, evolution , these things are great and necessary, but only when properly understood and purposeful and relevant and doesn't throw the baby out with the bath water.

EvE is full of nursery Nietzsches playing at being the 'superman'. On the one hand this makes EvE an incredibly vibrant sandbox in which ideologies clash and ideas and ethics become weapons - there is nothing else quite like it. Unfortunately, like in any other area where kids get hold of a poor grasp of second hand philosophy, this can lead to the overstepping of boundaries and extremely distasteful behaviour.

Some of the things in the OP are, as another poster said, actually some of the best characteristics of EvE (the thefts, political manipulation and general ethically open playing field). What's disturbing is the general failure among posters here to distinguish between those things and the genuinely questionable behaviour that is lionised by some parts of the community. A game where you can be evil in game is great but that type of behaviour often leaks into the real-world due to the liminal realm of the meta-game, where in-game is out of game and out of game is in-game.

Erotica 1's behaviour is not on the same level as ingame emergent events as it targets and victimises the person playing the game, not the person ingame. Similarly, Mittens' behaviour at fanfest crossed the line into the real world in a quite unfortunate way. These are the kind of reputation issues that the game really does need to deal with and they need to be separated from the in-game villainy. You can applaud the latter without upholding the former as being in some way integral to the EvE experience.

Well, I am fairly confident that the "normal" players who love EvE for its harshness are not attracted by, nor support those edge cases that clearly show some RL psychological disturbs. They'd really do fine without that kind of "advertisment".
Anyway, edge cases can't be taken as representative of the majority, even in WoW there had been the famous "Serenity Now" funeral gank.

I'll add to that; the NPE, while allowing new players to be safe from other players, needs to emphasize over and over just what these newcomers are going to face in the real game.

The training and learning experiences need to prepare them for the inarguable facts that they will will be griefed (as the rest of the MMOverse uses that word), robbed, assassinated, and scammed at every turn if they are not alert and careful. They need to be shown, I think, some of the more common scams. A lot of them will fall for them anyway once they're out there...but we need to take away the "WTF I didn't know they could do that to me!" excuses and let the willfully ignorant get what they deserve while preparing those who listen.

They need to enter the real EvE understanding, really understanding, that they are rarely safe. And, somehow, they need to be shown how all of that can be fun.