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[Serious Discussion] This game's community leaves much to be desired

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#41 - 2014-03-14 13:00:55 UTC
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Douche players will force PVP on to new players if they want it or not, and that quite frankly is not appealing what so ever when taking your first few steps in a new game.

You're not allowed to gank people in rookie systems so it's not even a problem.

Oh god.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2014-03-14 13:01:47 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
I think most of the OP's complaints can be resolved in three steps...

Stay out of hisec
Stay off reddit
Stay off the internet

Seriously, if a few bad apples ruin your entire orchard, you've got to stop focusing on the bad apples.

Eve's community in low and nullsec is fantastic, encouraging and helpful. Trust is a way of life in nullsec. Fear is a way of life in hisec because that's where the riffraff truly are, preying on the weak that don't know the rules or don't know how to play the game yet.


Truth be told.

Majority of people in EVE are good and helpful. The bad always gets the news which makes it appear that Bad is actually the majority.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#43 - 2014-03-14 13:07:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Fortunately i've never been caught no, but thats probably more down to my paranoid nature when logging into this game, new players dont have that paranoia about them, and only get it once they've been blown up a few times, maybe the first time losing a ship to PVP they didnt ask for is enough for them to delete the client, i dunno, but thats what im getting at.
That's just it: what you're demonstrating is that it's not nearly as bad as it is often made out to be. Even you, who have experiences that show the exact opposite, believe in this myth of the poor mission runner under siege. It's not common, and it's not particularly hard to avoid, and it is apparently fully possible to learn without ever being a target.

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Douche players will force PVP on to new players if they want it or not, and that quite frankly is not appealing what so ever when taking your first few steps in a new game.
…and those who do get slapped silly with the banhammer since newbie griefing is severely frowned upon by CCP.

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Now, IF it did happen and i got ganked or some such, then im experienced enough to deal with it, learn from it and avoid it next time, but that just me, someone who's played just over 4 years, not a new player a day/month into EVE.
Why would a newbie not be able to do the same? And is there any particular reason to suspect that newbies particularly need to do this at any greater rate?

Really, what I'm getting at is that, even if this exceedingly rare event should occur, the real impact for you is pretty small. So why is it something that you even distracts you from doing what you want to do in peace? It sounds to me like you trust (and prefer to spread) the myth more than your actual experience.
Salvos Rhoska
#44 - 2014-03-14 13:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Absolutely not no, but making it much more of a pain for the instigator and with harsher consequences would be a welcome more and make EVE more attractive to new players that DONT want to PVP that 3yr old player in highsec.


Explain to me why it is necessary to make it a "pain" to the instigator?
Why should the consequences be harsher?

Your statement carries an inherent contradiction. Though such a change might provide more incentive to players who do not want to pvp, it simultaneously removes an incentive to players who do want to pvp.

Summa summarum, that is not a reasonable request on that basis, because one populations actions are incentivised at the expense of anothers.

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I had a case of it a number of weeks ago. Some clown was abusing the mechanic where if he attacked the MTU my drones attacked him, and then he had a mutual fight.


Drones auto-aggressing (when set to Aggressive) on a player attacking an MTU was fixed, as far as I know. Was it not?

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#45 - 2014-03-14 13:19:46 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Marvin Shields wrote:

....
[nerf everything heresy]
...

EvE being a sandbox, experiences are variable and not as uniformly stark and dire as you profess, as in real life there is good and bad everywhere. The difference (and what makes EvE special), is that CCP doesn't bubble-wrap you from the bad (not completely yet anyway...), it's up to YOU and all new players to put brain and vast web resources to bear in avoiding the bad, just like in real life.

However...

When you go from 'how do I..' or 'can someone help me', into crossing that heretical line of espousing 'things should be nerfed..remove ganking...' t
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

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Would you like to know more?
Notorious Fellon
#46 - 2014-03-14 13:20:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
OP:

There are a few of us who are very much trying to change that toxic culture or at least not be a part of it. I for one, completely agree with your original post.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks and discussing forum moderation. ISD Ezwal. In the game, it is worse (in some places, some channels, etc). There are bastions of decent people, however. They are simply hard to find.

One of my pilots sits in Amarr npc corpchat. It is one of the nicer places full of helpful people. The community tries in what ways it can to moderate the occasional turd that floats to the top. I have also been a part of a fine corp and alliance a few years ago that was full of excellent people; a mix of Europeans, Americans and Australians. I miss that corporation.

One positive that comes out of the current state of the EVE player community; we always know the worst of the gaming community will stay in EVE until the day it dies (if it ever does). I hope they always have this sandbox so they can fight over who gets to **** in it the loudest.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#47 - 2014-03-14 13:22:40 UTC
Looks like hauler ganks aren't a new thing either: http://eve-search.com/thread/327001-0

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Salvos Rhoska
#48 - 2014-03-14 13:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
You have no business dictating how others should behave.

Concern yourself with how you yourself behave, that is your only real and best recourse of action, and the only one which you have any right to enforce or dictate.

Its a hard truth for many to swallow, but it is, unequivocally, true.

You have no more social, moral or other authority to dictate how I should choose to live my life and what I do in it, than I do to dictate that to you.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.-

Your beliefs do not supercede anyone elses. They are no more valuable, right or qualified than anyone elses.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#49 - 2014-03-14 13:31:05 UTC
Maybe Im missing something here but I stay away from "personalities" and "celebs" in EVE. I have no idea who/what Mittani is and i dont care.

EVE is my escape from RL. If it starts to remble RL, then why bother?

I interact in the forums and ingame. But Im sure as hell not going to take anyone that seriously here. Especially legends in their own minds.



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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-03-14 13:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Marvin Shields wrote:
They capture vulnerable players and force them to sing on Teamspeak in return for safe passage, humiliating them in the process, for their own enjoyment and then kill them after anyway because "It's Eve, HTFU noob LOLOLOLOL".

I don't understand this whole post, if you don't like the community or even the harshness of the game and the meta surrounding it, why play at all? If you don't want to sing on Teamspeak for a safe passage you also have multiple options, self destruct or even log off?

I think its ridiculous people come out with things like "The group that enjoys inflicting pain on others", I've said this before but you can argue that the whole point of this game is for them to destroy spaceships and steal their stuff, that has absolutely nothing to do with their personality.

The only person who looks like he has an actual problem is the person thinking peoples actions in game represent them in real life. No this game is about doing what you want to do in a game, wether that is murdering and being a thief does not matter. I play Ninja Gaiden but I don't like to slice people up and trust me I am not a ninja.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

I disagree
Spurty
#51 - 2014-03-14 13:42:50 UTC
My worry is that CCP are backing a horse and letting the status quo be. This is effectively an "all clear to continue" nod from the heavens for dickery.

They *have* backed the wrong horse. They have very few cycles to abandon that idea as changes to the game will take far longer than the projected time line of new spaceship games will allow.

Exciting times from the side lines.

My wallet doesn't have any emotional attachment to a game that promotes detachment. Whoever wins gets my $

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Kyperion
#52 - 2014-03-14 13:58:32 UTC
Spurty wrote:
My worry is that CCP are backing a horse and letting the status quo be. This is effectively an "all clear to continue" nod from the heavens for dickery.

They *have* backed the wrong horse. They have very few cycles to abandon that idea as changes to the game will take far longer than the projected time line of new spaceship games will allow.

Exciting times from the side lines.

My wallet doesn't have any emotional attachment to a game that promotes detachment. Whoever wins gets my $


Entropy Online, Age of Ascent, Star Citizen, A potentially revived Homeworld series, and others previously mentioned, It looks like a good time to be a Space Sim fan.

Funny thing is I'm only a carebear in EVE because of how the mechanics work, I love MechWarrior online, and that is pure PVP, the only part of SWTOR that I like is the new Galactic Starfighter gameplay...

The few times I've been in EVE's version of PVP it has been extremely boring, and usually already determined by character skills/ships

Games where you directly pilot whatever craft you are controlling are much better PVP environments, and require more player skill.

If I had a Laptop that could handle WarThunder, I might have already been gone,

But EVE is fantastically beautiful... as boring as some people say mining is, it is almost mystical the graphical renovations they've made. Ship Spinning is actually a valid occupation too.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#53 - 2014-03-14 13:59:48 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I had a case of it a number of weeks ago. Some clown was abusing the mechanic where if he attacked the MTU my drones attacked him, and then he had a mutual fight.


Drones auto-aggressing (when set to Aggressive) on a player attacking an MTU was fixed, as far as I know. Was it not?


It was indeed fixed. Like I said, this gank was done some weeks ago.
Salvos Rhoska
#54 - 2014-03-14 14:01:02 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Ship Spinning is actually a valid occupation too.


Yes, as are pirating and ganking.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-03-14 14:01:23 UTC
tl;dr
Kyperion
#56 - 2014-03-14 14:03:24 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Ship Spinning is actually a valid occupation too.


Yes, as are pirating and ganking.


Pirates, even in hisec have their place...

My problem is with the New Order types, that take ganking and turn it into a cyber-cult.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#57 - 2014-03-14 14:06:17 UTC
There are good folk in EvE. The problem is the 'nasty' players tend to read up on rules and bend them to favor themselves. If the people that spent their time in EvE were 1/2 as educated as the scammers, and blowhards; there wouldn't be near as many issues.

Yes, in EvE the strong prey on the the week. It's unfortunate and annoying. It is absurdly easy to find a decent mentor in this game if you spend 20 minutes on the forums or 5 minutes in new citizens. With some basic game mechanics under your belt the grief mechanics are pretty easily avoided.

This is a game about spaceship shenanigans. Expect ***hattery.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#58 - 2014-03-14 14:19:07 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Ship Spinning is actually a valid occupation too.


Yes, as are pirating and ganking.


Pirates, even in hisec have their place...

My problem is with the New Order types, that take ganking and turn it into a cyber-cult.


Generally EVE players can be relied on to say that they're not against piracy "in principle" or piracy "in its place"; they're only opposed to "the kind of piracy that affects me".

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#59 - 2014-03-14 14:20:43 UTC
I was shocked that this thread wasn't entirely people trolling OP.

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Lyelle Wolf
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-03-14 14:22:12 UTC
I would have to agree and state that the EVE community is stagnating itself. Old pilots scare away new pilots and the community doesn't grow, only festers. CCP can't really do anything because it's a majority of their "loud" players that exhibit this type of attitude and they are unsure how well their game will do if they get rid of the blight in EVE.

//LW