EVE General Discussion

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Not going to waste my time and pixels regurgitating stuff I've already said in other similar threads, so I'll reserve my text wall.

Just want to make a post in support of WiS.

I still believe in CCP's old mantra of wanting to be the "best sci-fi simulator" in existence. That's sci-fi sim, not just spaceship sim.

Avatar-based gameplay and/or interactions will be required to achieve this status - or even just to pursue it.

Most of those players against WiS are in fact simply fearful that CCP cannot introduce it without the spaceships game suffering as a result. They're actually not against avatar gameplay itself. So the ball rests squarely in CCP's court.

I believe we will eventually see it. It's just 'when' and not 'if'.

Suggestions for the Dev team? Well I really only have one suggestion - How can you take load off the development team, yet also introduce constant new avatar-content? Follow the example of places like IMVU and SL by seeding a derivable framework of items and allow players themselves to create the content such as rooms, clothes, items and accessories. Then go back to focussing on spaceships and let your community do the rest.

When will that change, exactly? I keep seeing it said, but they've been focusing on inspace things for ten years. It's NEVER going to be perfect. There's no such thing as perfect. There is only "good enough."

So when, in your view, will EVE have reached the point that they won't need to focus on inspace things at the expense of any other option? When will inspace have been sufficiently fleshed out that you think that the game will be ready for EVE in Stations?

WIS would encourage more player interaction, probably induce more female players to play and make industrial/marketing/scamming aspects of the game far more interesting.

Will this be to the detriment of the "rubber ducks in bathtub physics/click and hit function key/my fit pwns your fit" PvP aspects of EVE beloved of the more macho type of nerds?

Probably not. But some people may worry.

And then the only remunerative option for the company become F2P/P2W, that in EVE means XP packages to inject, "VIP" Implants, boosters and gold ammo.

And have fun with that ****. And good luck in keep asking for new POS system, SOV overhaul and bla bla bla...

The only thing I don't understand about that point of view Scatim is that if EVE is so terribly broken and incomplete as you say, with players rioting when a single update doesn't focus on their playstyle, why the heck are you playing it at all?

Surely you must love the game despite all of this. We all do. Or we wouldn't be here.

So why be so selfish? For lack of a better term.

Why MUST developers focus 110% of their attention on a single playstyle-aspect of the game "or else"?

EVE is more than that. Or rather it could be and should be. We all have our individual visions for how we'd like EVE to be. I'd love to see avatar-based content but I'm just as excited as you are for fresh spaceship content too, and fixes.

Yes, but the resources are already thrown to whole new games: Dust, WoD, Valkyrie... and who knows what else... And is not for game-within-a game, but just totally new game, not integrated, not in line with EVE standards and not even on the same platform.

No resource here to fight for, only crumbs. Is clear as anything relevant will be ignored for long time, maybe forever, excpet little things that can be "sidestepped with a new widget here and a stat tweak".

The first goal should be to bring EVE resources back. And to have a chance have to be for something giving to CCP a chance to extend gameplay and grow.

Could you maybe give specific examples? It's all well and good saying that "much of the in-space content is incomplete" but A: we're coming back around to the issue of different resources (balancing a ship or creating a more interesting version of mining uses a very different skillset to what would be used in producing EiS) and B: different people seem to disagree wildly on what it is, exactly, that needs fixing.

I mean, what ARE the fundamental big issues with EVE? I personally don't really see any. I see minor irritations - the corp interface is opaque and unwieldy but it works, POSes could do with an overhaul but they're hardly a BIG problem. ECM needs an overhaul but again, what we have right now isn't exactly catastrophic... FacWar is ticking over nicely (albeit it's not great from an RP perspective, but you can't have everything), Incursions work as intended (again, they don't make a whole lot of sense from an RP point of view, but even speaking as a roleplayer myself I can't really call that a "fundamental big issue")....

Weapons seem largely balanced, ships seem mostly balanced (yes, I know, condors and crows, but can that REALLY be called a "fundamental big issue"?) Everyone seems to love the Tengu more than the other tech 3s but that's more down to metagame, I think. There are no tech 3 frigates and battleships, but that's not a major problem so much as a wishlist item. Mining is boring as hell but so many people do it that the boredom doesn't seem to be a game-breaking issue. The same goes for missions.

Again, we're back to subjective values here, because in my view one of the few remaining fundamental flaws with EVE is just how nonexistent the avatar gameplay is. We have a room, and we can change our clothes - that's it. There's literally zero PvP potential in the system as it is, which means that thus far all the effort that went into making WiS in the first place HAS gone to waste. I want EVE in Stations (EiS) not a closet with a mirror.

If any spaceborne feature were so completely underdeveloped there'd be hissing and spitting all over the forums. But because it's not a spaceborne feature, there's this notion that it's not a problem for it to be neglected like this, and lots of people actively WANT it to be ignored, which I don't get.

I mean, there was hissing and spitting about it being underdeveloped anyway. But what I really, REALLY don't understand is why the reaction to that has been to leave it underdeveloped rather than actually develop it. If people throw a rage party over how incomplete a feature is, my reaction would be to complete it, post haste. Not to leave it as-is for the foreseeable future.

That's true ^^

I think a big question folks need to ask themselves when discussing WiS is:

If CCP announced that they would never be releasing another update, that the current EVE right now (today) is how EVE is going to stay forever, would you leave or would you still play?

I'd still play. Because I have a **** ton of fun in the EVE of today.

If your answer is the same, you'd stay, then what's the problem with developing WiS??

If your answer is no, you'd leave, then it sounds like you don't much enjoy EVE as it is right now, you're not having fun and are only here for the pure chance that it might take a future development direction that you like.

I've always thought adding WiS would be great for the game but I agree it was poorly implemented. I thought they would go the direction of earning a Captain's quarter (Through Pve Loyalty points and/or Factional Warfare) and then purchase at a designated station. Instead it was open for everyone and at each station you docked at. Then I thought the "walking in station" part was like an open lobby with bars and stuff for everyone at "each station" to meet up or party up. ... .. .. . .. . . . .

Thats what you just asked for.