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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#141 - 2013-11-05 17:36:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.

This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.


A full t2 Catalyst with 700 DPS cost about 2 months training and a 50-100 million pod if I'm not mistaken, a T2 catalyst costs around 10 million isk. 2 months of dedicated training, 50-100 million on implants and ship prices at 10 million. That's not horribly cheap or low skill in my book.


2months of training is probably about what your average same-account cyno alt has. That is a low bar. And you don't necessarily need it to be that highly trained either. At 10m isk a catalyst, taking down a freighter or orca is quite cheap. And at that rate you don't exactly have to be carrying a particularly valuable cargo to be a target. Some of the freighters killed in Niarja last month had under 1.5bn total in cargo. If you land one decent kill on some guy with 4bn in cargo that essentially buys you enough catalysts that you can go out and start ganking plastic-wrapped courier freighters just to go fishing. Actually, you can do this anyway, because 10m per catalyst makes ganking even an empty freighter not such a hard thing.

At the moment it seems freighters are too slow, expensive, and vulnerable to fully use their massive cargo space. Half of 1.5 bn is enough to fund 2 additional freighter ganks.

Question: does having a -10.0 sec status cause problems? ie if you undock and warp directly to the target with your other gank buddies, do faction police prevent you from applying dps or kill you before concord arrives?

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

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Bruce Kemp
Best Kept Dunked
#142 - 2013-11-05 17:38:12 UTC
Eve is a player vs player game, did you not know this? Lol
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#143 - 2013-11-05 17:38:20 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.

You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.

No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.

Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.

At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.

This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.

Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.


Hate to say it, but you don't get EvE.....

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#144 - 2013-11-05 17:39:30 UTC
"Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?"

Sure, you can suicide gank them.

DOHOHOHOHOHOHO

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#145 - 2013-11-05 17:39:51 UTC
The solution to this problem is simple.
Offensive modules should no longer be allowed to be activated in high Sec.
You're welcome.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#146 - 2013-11-05 17:43:57 UTC
Serptimis wrote:
The solution to this problem is simple.
Offensive modules should no longer be allowed to be activated in high Sec.
You're welcome.


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seriously, that idea is terrible.Roll

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#147 - 2013-11-05 17:44:13 UTC
While ganking is pretty damn fun, I honestly believe it hurts the long term prospects of the game. I have seen so many newbs rage quit. I had one guy who joined a mining corp I had, he had four accounts, got one of his retrievers ganked once and he never really logged in again. Hell I was mad because I was grooming the guy and showing him the ropes. lol He didn't even hang around to talk about how to tank his ship.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#148 - 2013-11-05 17:45:36 UTC
Let nature take its course. Foolish lazy people lose ships in high sec, nbs.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#149 - 2013-11-05 17:47:21 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
While ganking is pretty damn fun, I honestly believe it hurts the long term prospects of the game. I have seen so many newbs rage quit. I had one guy who joined a mining corp I had, he had four accounts, got one of his retrievers ganked once and he never really logged in again. Hell I was mad because I was grooming the guy and showing him the ropes. lol He didn't even hang around to talk about how to tank his ship.


Yet EVE has done nothing but grow. If ganking was going to kill EVE it would have done so in 2003.
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#150 - 2013-11-05 17:49:05 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
While ganking is pretty damn fun, I honestly believe it hurts the long term prospects of the game. I have seen so many newbs rage quit. I had one guy who joined a mining corp I had, he had four accounts, got one of his retrievers ganked once and he never really logged in again. Hell I was mad because I was grooming the guy and showing him the ropes. lol He didn't even hang around to talk about how to tank his ship.



Yes, from the release of EvE, to allow the ganking of others has be detrimental to the player base. :condi:
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#151 - 2013-11-05 17:51:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
People trapped in boring and pointless "hisec gameplay" due to CCP's inability to transition the average gamer out of their themepark comfort zone is what strangles Eve's growth. Suicide ganking and wardecs etc, just speed up the decision process for those who will leave anyway and those who will be shocked out of their "push button for candy" gameplay stupor.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#152 - 2013-11-05 17:52:18 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space


You are not safe.

If you desire safety in your pvp MMO experience may I suggest World of Warcraft
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#153 - 2013-11-05 17:53:44 UTC

This forum is not the appropriate place for tears, please fill out this handy form and submit with a petition to CCP.

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John XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#154 - 2013-11-05 17:57:08 UTC
I like the part where the OP wants protection from people playing the game while not playing the game himself.

+1, will recommend this cutting-edge idea to others.

Between Ignorance and Wisdom
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#155 - 2013-11-05 17:57:13 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Yes, from the release of EvE, to allow the ganking of others has be detrimental to the player base. :condi:


The size of the player base is comical.

Don't get me wrong, I like the game as it is. It is very entertaining to a narrow audience.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#156 - 2013-11-05 17:58:06 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
People trapped in boring and pointless "hisec gameplay" due to CCP's inability to transition the average gamer out of their themepark comfort zone is what strangles Eve's growth. Suicide ganking and wardecs etc, just speed up the decision process for those who will leave anyway and those who will be shocked out of their "push button for candy" gameplay stupor.


What if you're just a nullsec logistics alt that wants to afk your freighter while you're on a roam with your buddies? Hisec is a lot more than miners and missions runners.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#157 - 2013-11-05 17:59:20 UTC
Respect. Cool

To OP. I honestly think you have a tremendous misunderstanding about most of the game EVE. The talk about safe space etc... is nothing but a failure on your part to understand the surroundings in which you find yourself.

Take this time to learn what EVE is "really" about or just leave now and save yourself the grief of the repeated targeted deaths you will endure for making this terribly absurd thread.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#158 - 2013-11-05 18:03:25 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
Yes, from the release of EvE, to allow the ganking of others has be detrimental to the player base. :condi:


The size of the player base is comical.

Don't get me wrong, I like the game as it is. It is very entertaining to a narrow audience.


EVE is the only MMO to do nothing but grow for a decade.
Naes Mlahrend
Devil's Horsemen
#159 - 2013-11-05 18:05:07 UTC
I don't always get ganked but when I do I'm not in station.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#160 - 2013-11-05 18:07:02 UTC
Batelle wrote:
What if you're just a nullsec logistics alt that wants to afk your freighter while you're on a roam with your buddies?


Uhhhh...you suck it up? There isn't exactly a huge swathe of people who survive comfortably in nullsec but can't get some goods moved safely around hisec. Your example isn't representative of any substantial number of players.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal