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High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#661 - 2013-10-24 18:50:29 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
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That's the damned problem. Oh, I'm not alone, either. Quite a few people in the thread have expressed that they use incursions to plump up the old wallet, when they live in null on their mains. For a lot of line members, this is the rule, not the exception.


It's not a problem.

Their mains are useless press-F1-on-voice-comm who could not undock by themselves in null sec without being farmed.

Of course they resort to hi sec grinding, but that's not because hi sec is the land of sweet and nectar, but because they are terrible enough to not be able to live IN their home without their blob.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#662 - 2013-10-24 18:52:45 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
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That's the damned problem. Oh, I'm not alone, either. Quite a few people in the thread have expressed that they use incursions to plump up the old wallet, when they live in null on their mains. For a lot of line members, this is the rule, not the exception.


It's not a problem.

Their mains are useless press-F1-on-voice-comm who could not undock by themselves in null sec without being farmed.

Of course they resort to hi sec grinding, but that's not because hi sec is the land of sweet and nectar, but because they are terrible enough to not be able to live IN their home without their blob.


"Press F1"? Clearly you have not heard of the new tinfoil of the month.

It's "set drones, go afk" now, not F1. Get with the times, bro.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#663 - 2013-10-24 18:59:55 UTC
Quote:
12 Bil in a month is 6 full nomad sets from Thukker/Trust Partners (not counting LP store costs of course). Not hard to do at all over 30 days with a single machariel.

12 bil is (including LP store cost) someting like 28,000 Sisters core Scanner Probes. I sell 1000+ sisters probes per night (made easier with those cool new Sisters lvl 4 agents....) 12 bil doesn't even take 30 days...... My sisters mission alt uses a Navy Raven and wait till i get my hands of those new missile launchers coming in Rubicon.


This. People get hung up on the raw isk from missioning or incursions, when the real money is, and always has been, in the LP stores.

Especially now with exploration continually getting buffed (and people out there killing explorers) Sisters Probes have never been more of a profitable investment.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#664 - 2013-10-24 19:04:30 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You point me in the direction of this magical isk in high sec, make sure its 12 billion a month worth. Curioius minds would like to know where this isk fountain lives.


12 Bil in a month is 6 full nomad sets from Thukker/Trust Partners (not counting LP store costs of course). Not hard to do at all over 30 days with a single machariel.

12 bil is (including LP store cost) someting like 28,000 Sisters core Scanner Probes. I sell 1000+ sisters probes per night (made easier with those cool new Sisters lvl 4 agents....) 12 bil doesn't even take 30 days...... My sisters mission alt uses a Navy Raven and wait till i get my hands of those new missile launchers coming in Rubicon.

Even factoring in the craziness of someone popping the moms early, 12 bil from incursion running is 2.6 to 3.4 hours of incursions per day (. Not hard to do and 2 days ago a TVP FC was talking about his downtime to downtime marathon over the weekend. Why do you think incursion runners are able to afford 5 bil iskn Vindis and machs after a short period of time?

All of the above with glancing at local, without scanning down random wormholes, with next to zero risk of losing a ship (i mission in battleships, I get scrammed, i MJD, get out of jail free card).

That's not even mentioning the crazyness of going just a few jumps from jita and scanning down cosmos mission runners doing the mission that drops the Michi Implant and stealing from that can (made extra special now because of crime watch lol). Doesn't always work but its better than hoping that MAZE drops something with the words Pith in it.

And there are more, way more. Not that you really care lol.

Sorry but I have a life, I don't spend every second of my life in EvE.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#665 - 2013-10-24 19:06:42 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Sorry but I have a life, I don't spend every second of my life in EvE.


And who said anything about spending your whole life in EVE? You asked, I answered and most of my answer is actually less time and effort intensive than anything you've said. You don't have to do all of it at once lol.

Are you truly that dishonest that you really don't care what the actual truth is?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#666 - 2013-10-24 19:08:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


Are you truly that dishonest that you really don't care what the actual truth is?


Just saying, called it months ago.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#667 - 2013-10-24 19:12:47 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Are you truly that dishonest that you really don't care what the actual truth is?


Just saying, called it months ago.


I remember. Beer at fanfest is on me lol/
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#668 - 2013-10-24 19:15:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Are you truly that dishonest that you really don't care what the actual truth is?


Just saying, called it months ago.


I remember. Beer at fanfest is on me lol/


Ah, see, I could never get leave for international travel these days. I'll hold you to it one day, though.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#669 - 2013-10-24 19:17:50 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Are you truly that dishonest that you really don't care what the actual truth is?


Just saying, called it months ago.


I remember. Beer at fanfest is on me lol/


Ah, see, I could never get leave for international travel these days. I'll hold you to it one day, though.
I'm not going this next year either, but my kid graduates in 2015 and ima treat myself. Of course EVE will be dead because of Star citizen by then, but ima go to Iceland to put flowers on it's grave while chewing on goat nostrils any damn way.

Big smile
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#670 - 2013-10-24 19:18:42 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
I think I've figured it out this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrRE1LDY_U

Is the only way to talk to people who refuse to see the facts showing highsec is horribly out of balance.


Is there someone preventing you from taking advantage of this supposed imbalance? I have never know goonies to pass up ANY chance at exploiting any part of the game. There is a reason you are in low sec crying for nerf to hi-sec missions and it’s not because low sec has lower income.


No I am currently taking advantage of it now. I don't think this should be the case though I think I should be able to exploit the space I choose to live in instead of having to have alts in highsec. I'm not focusing on missions either, I focus on highsec reward in general, it needs to be reduced proportionate to its risk. That doesn't mean removing content either.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#671 - 2013-10-24 19:19:21 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Sorry but I have a life, I don't spend every second of my life in EvE.



Translation:

"I know more about internet spaceship game than all of you because I dont play it very often"


Im done


"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#672 - 2013-10-24 19:21:20 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Are you truly that dishonest that you really don't care what the actual truth is?


Just saying, called it months ago.


I remember. Beer at fanfest is on me lol/


Ah, see, I could never get leave for international travel these days. I'll hold you to it one day, though.
I'm not going this next year either, but my kid graduates in 2015 and ima treat myself. Of course EVE will be dead because of Star citizen by then, but ima go to Iceland to put flowers on it's grave while chewing on goat nostrils any damn way.

Big smile


Goat... nostrils? Nevermind, there are some things I just flat do not want to know about Icelandic culture.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#673 - 2013-10-24 19:21:47 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
[
That's the damned problem. Oh, I'm not alone, either. Quite a few people in the thread have expressed that they use incursions to plump up the old wallet, when they live in null on their mains. For a lot of line members, this is the rule, not the exception.


It's not a problem.

Their mains are useless press-F1-on-voice-comm who could not undock by themselves in null sec without being farmed.

Of course they resort to hi sec grinding, but that's not because hi sec is the land of sweet and nectar, but because they are terrible enough to not be able to live IN their home without their blob.


"Press F1"? Clearly you have not heard of the new tinfoil of the month.

It's "set drones, go afk" now, not F1. Get with the times, bro.


Yeah it's been a while since the last time I had any need to grind money or do PvP.
These days I let others do the hard work like peasants and the "I made 1B in 8 hours for PvE" does not impress me the least.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#674 - 2013-10-24 19:22:52 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Sorry but I have a life, I don't spend every second of my life in EvE.


Oh my a life haver.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#675 - 2013-10-24 19:39:17 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Sorry but I have a life, I don't spend every second of my life in EvE.


Oh my a life haver.


I'ma get ghetto with it and every time I see him I'm gonna say "there he go, with his life havin ass". Twisted
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#676 - 2013-10-24 19:42:55 UTC


I have to be all self-livin and whatnot

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#677 - 2013-10-24 20:20:49 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
I think I've figured it out this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrRE1LDY_U

Is the only way to talk to people who refuse to see the facts showing highsec is horribly out of balance.


Is there someone preventing you from taking advantage of this supposed imbalance? I have never know goonies to pass up ANY chance at exploiting any part of the game. There is a reason you are in low sec crying for nerf to hi-sec missions and it’s not because low sec has lower income.


OMG an actual argument from E-2c instead of useless trolling? WTF, why are my feet cold, how could snow be on the forecast for hell, must be gloabal warming or something?

More seriously, people (not just goons) ARE exploiting the imbalance. Many null sec players have high sec incursion, mission, mining, scamming and exploration alts. Half of my 4 accounts characters are in high sec for logistics and PVE isk making purposes. High Sec isk is reliable and it's really hard for anyone to interrupt you (except for high sec exploration).

The various reasons why have been explained to (and ignored by) the OP. Relying on a random number generator and time consuming PVE activities for isk is dumb when you can take the exact same 2 alts Infinity is using and rake in high sec isk.

1 alt runs infinitely available missions (and if you're pro , basking in the glory of sisters probes or nomad implants/soon to be SOE cruisers or other goodies you can get in high sec like the infinite respawing cosmos plexes that drop items the cosmos runners need) while X-ing up in incursion channels with the other alt. And then stop doing everything else when you get into that incursion fleet because thats where the isk is. Incursion is is never ever chance based like sov null isk is.


Sure its chance based. What happens when they shoot the mothership?.......Thaaaats riiiiggghht.....no more incursion. Hi-sec offers you the chance to do something on your alt while you pvp on your main.

Null isk making requires you to keep you eye glued on local. I choose not to have to deal with elietist or thier attitudes so i do not do incursions but i understand they can be very profitable when the mothership isint being killed.

I will stick to making big iskies doing 7/10 or ratting in null when I can and rely on hi-sec for a more steady income over time.

Anyone telling you there is more money to be made in hi-sec is doing it wrong.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#678 - 2013-10-24 20:22:09 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Thaaaats riiiiggghht.....



Ray?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#679 - 2013-10-24 20:24:10 UTC
Quote:
Null isk making requires you to keep you eye glued on local. I choose not to have to deal with elietist or thier attitudes so i do not do incursions but i understand they can be very profitable when the mothership isint being killed.


Elitist? Are you kidding me? If you can fly a Scimitar and don't have a completely half assed fit, those "elitists" will pub you into a fleet at the drop of a hat.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#680 - 2013-10-24 20:34:44 UTC
wait wait wait

people think nullsec alliances are more elitist than incursion running groups?

geeez, some people

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