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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#241 - 2013-10-17 09:35:17 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.

Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.


That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long.

I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#242 - 2013-10-17 09:42:45 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.

Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.


That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long.

I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs.

Isn't that self defeating. You cant use your space because you need to be available to HAVE the space. What's the point of having it if you cant use it?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#243 - 2013-10-17 09:45:53 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.

Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.


That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long.

I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs.

Isn't that self defeating. You cant use your space because you need to be available to HAVE the space. What's the point of having it if you cant use it?



Fights.

I hate bearing, there are 20 things I would rather be doing. Ratting, Pos stuff, logistics....all annoy me, I'd.rather be shooting at someone.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#244 - 2013-10-17 09:48:18 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.

Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.


That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long.

I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs.

Isn't that self defeating. You cant use your space because you need to be available to HAVE the space. What's the point of having it if you cant use it?



Fights.

I hate bearing, there are 20 things I would rather be doing. Ratting, Pos stuff, logistics....all annoy me, I'd.rather be shooting at someone.


So come to lowsec. What's the point of null empires if the infrastructure just annoys you? If all you want is fights they are available without the bollocks.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#245 - 2013-10-17 09:51:08 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.

Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.


That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long.

I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs.

Isn't that self defeating. You cant use your space because you need to be available to HAVE the space. What's the point of having it if you cant use it?



Fights.

I hate bearing, there are 20 things I would rather be doing. Ratting, Pos stuff, logistics....all annoy me, I'd.rather be shooting at someone.


So come to lowsec. What's the point of null empires if the infrastructure just annoys you? If all you want is fights they are available without the bollocks.


I lived in low sec for a long time. It's boring. You spend tons of time looking for fights, little time fighting them.
Charles Panzram
Doomheim
#246 - 2013-10-17 09:55:52 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.

Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.


That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long.

I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs.


So you are basically saying that you loiter around most of the day and are just too lazy to move around to find something.
Just because there could be something to rep? Or because you need to have sufficient numbers to blob a 10 men roaming gang with 200 dudes?

Last time I checked FA does next to nothing independently of their Goon overlords and at the moment there isn´t much going on in form of a big war so whats preventing you from plexing yourself, ah right downright lazyness.

So how many pos's do you have to rep on a regular basis? How many bridges? How many call to arms are given?
Amber Kurvora
#247 - 2013-10-17 10:02:38 UTC
The rage is still on going? Got to love the Eve forums. It's the only place I know where everyone else is wrong, except for the person stating their opinion. Raaaargh! ;)
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#248 - 2013-10-17 10:02:57 UTC
Charles Panzram wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.

Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.


That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long.

I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs.


So you are basically saying that you loiter around most of the day and are just too lazy to move around to find something.
Just because there could be something to rep? Or because you need to have sufficient numbers to blob a 10 men roaming gang with 200 dudes?

Last time I checked FA does next to nothing independently of their Goon overlords and at the moment there isn´t much going on in form of a big war so whats preventing you from plexing yourself, ah right downright lazyness.

So how many pos's do you have to rep on a regular basis? How many bridges? How many call to arms are given?


I'm hardly loitering, and there aren't many 10 man gangs in my neck of the woods, we have about 5 alliances that live in our npc pocket that make nuisances of themselves.

Between roams, defense fleets, and drops I can be fleeted up 75% of the time peacetime.....on war footing you can't keep up.

We don't CTA, but on average there are 3-4 posted ops p ee day plus whatever comes up in the middle.
Prince Kobol
#249 - 2013-10-17 10:05:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Charles Panzram wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.

Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.


That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long.

I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs.


So you are basically saying that you loiter around most of the day and are just too lazy to move around to find something.
Just because there could be something to rep? Or because you need to have sufficient numbers to blob a 10 men roaming gang with 200 dudes?

Last time I checked FA does next to nothing independently of their Goon overlords and at the moment there isn´t much going on in form of a big war so whats preventing you from plexing yourself, ah right downright lazyness.

So how many pos's do you have to rep on a regular basis? How many bridges? How many call to arms are given?



Well they do like to lose Titans and the odd CSAA on occasion so its not like they are doing nothing :)
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#250 - 2013-10-17 10:08:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Prince Kobol wrote:
Charles Panzram wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.

Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.


That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long.

I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs.


So you are basically saying that you loiter around most of the day and are just too lazy to move around to find something.
Just because there could be something to rep? Or because you need to have sufficient numbers to blob a 10 men roaming gang with 200 dudes?

Last time I checked FA does next to nothing independently of their Goon overlords and at the moment there isn´t much going on in form of a big war so whats preventing you from plexing yourself, ah right downright lazyness.

So how many pos's do you have to rep on a regular basis? How many bridges? How many call to arms are given?



Well they do like to lose Titans and the odd CSAA on occasion so its not like they are doing nothing :)


More CSAAs than Titans of late......And there are a couple JB pos that have a few billion in stront into them at this point.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#251 - 2013-10-17 10:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
So why do complexes and compare them to level 4 missions when its null anoms that are on par with level 4 missions?

There is also the issue of there not being enough complexes to go around, rank and file do anoms.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#252 - 2013-10-17 10:14:39 UTC
If there is enough plexes for ninjas, there is enough plexes for sov holders. If diplomacy doesn't allow these plexes to be fully utilized, that's poor management.
Prince Kobol
#253 - 2013-10-17 10:18:20 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Charles Panzram wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.

Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.


That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long.

I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs.


So you are basically saying that you loiter around most of the day and are just too lazy to move around to find something.
Just because there could be something to rep? Or because you need to have sufficient numbers to blob a 10 men roaming gang with 200 dudes?

Last time I checked FA does next to nothing independently of their Goon overlords and at the moment there isn´t much going on in form of a big war so whats preventing you from plexing yourself, ah right downright lazyness.

So how many pos's do you have to rep on a regular basis? How many bridges? How many call to arms are given?



Well they do like to lose Titans and the odd CSAA on occasion so its not like they are doing nothing :)


More CSAAs than Titans of late......And there are a couple JB pos that have a few billion in stront into them at this point.



I apologise for that comment... was a pretty low shot truth be told Big smile
Prince Kobol
#254 - 2013-10-17 10:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
If there is enough plexes for ninjas, there is enough plexes for sov holders. If diplomacy doesn't allow these plexes to be fully utilized, that's poor management.


???

Pretty confused by that statement.

Just because a few people can ninja a plex doesn't mean that there are hundreds of them just sitting there waiting to be run.

Lets randomly pick some numbers out of thin air for a moment.

If an alliance has say 1000 members and controls 20 systems are you saying that there is enough plex's for all 1000 members?

Maybe your getting confused between plexs and anons, not sure.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#255 - 2013-10-17 10:22:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
baltec1 wrote:
So why do complexes and compare them to level 4 missions when its null anoms that are on par with level 4 missions?

There is also the issue of there not being enough complexes to go around, rank and file do anoms.

Combat sites are the actual equivalent of missions. Mission gates, multiple rooms, mission specific goals. They just don't require an agent usually (escalations are the agent version) you just don't have to visit the agent to get the escalation.

Regular anoms are a lazy way of creating extra belts in system. They're the equivalent of ratting.

The primary difference between combat sites and high sec / low sec missions is the majority of the content (rats)in combat sites can be skipped or bypassed while in missions you usually have to kill every single npc to continue.

They're L4 Missions Light, with better bounties per tick and a faction spawn or two, or 3, multiple elite module drops + big sack of gold (Overseer Effects) at the end just in case you didn't make enough :)

Like WoW instances sort of in space. Craziness. I'll be stopping running them soon, getting bored of them but I'll be back with my ISBoxed SB gang...

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#256 - 2013-10-17 10:27:16 UTC
No there aren't, 10 guys can clear all of the combat sites out of a region pretty quickly.

Anoms are unlimited.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#257 - 2013-10-17 10:32:00 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So why do complexes and compare them to level 4 missions when its null anoms that are on par with level 4 missions?

There is also the issue of there not being enough complexes to go around, rank and file do anoms.

Combat sites are the actual equivalent of missions. Mission gates, multiple rooms, mission specific goals. They just don't require an agent usually (escalations are the agent version) you just don't have to visit the agent to get the escalation.

Regular anoms are a lazy way of creating extra belts in system. They're the equivalent of ratting.

The primary difference between combat sites and high sec / low sec missions is the majority of the content (rats)in combat sites can be skipped or bypassed while in missions you usually have to kill every single npc to continue.

They're L4 Missions Light, with better bounties per tick and a faction spawn or two, or 3, multiple elite module drops + big sack of gold (Overseer Effects) at the end just in case you didn't make enough :)

Like WoW instances sort of in space. Craziness. I'll be stopping running them soon, getting bored of them but I'll be back with my ISBoxed SB gang...


No, complex are a rare, you cannot have thousands of players doing them at the same time.

Anoms are null secs equivalent of of level 4 missions and the staple diet of the vast majority. Its these you should be comparing.
Prince Kobol
#258 - 2013-10-17 10:33:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So why do complexes and compare them to level 4 missions when its null anoms that are on par with level 4 missions?

There is also the issue of there not being enough complexes to go around, rank and file do anoms.

Combat sites are the actual equivalent of missions. Mission gates, multiple rooms, mission specific goals. They just don't require an agent usually (escalations are the agent version) you just don't have to visit the agent to get the escalation.

Regular anoms are a lazy way of creating extra belts in system. They're the equivalent of ratting.

The primary difference between combat sites and high sec / low sec missions is the majority of the content (rats)in combat sites can be skipped or bypassed while in missions you usually have to kill every single npc to continue.

They're L4 Missions Light, with better bounties per tick and a faction spawn or two, or 3, multiple elite module drops + big sack of gold (Overseer Effects) at the end just in case you didn't make enough :)

Like WoW instances sort of in space. Craziness. I'll be stopping running them soon, getting bored of them but I'll be back with my ISBoxed SB gang...


No, complex are a rare, you cannot have thousands of players doing them at the same time.

Anoms are null secs equivalent of of level 4 missions and the staple diet of the vast majority. Its these you should be comparing.


Exactly..

If you compare anons with L4 Missions personally L4 Missions win every time.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#259 - 2013-10-17 10:33:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
That the mechanic is broken. Fix it.

1) which mechanic is broken?
2) why do you think it is broken?

If you speak about wardecs i see your point. But comparison with bounties is just wrong.


Again, my comparison was to the intent behind bounties and wardecs, insofar as both of them can be applied for any reason (or no reason), and cost money to do so.

But you can brush off a wardec with what? 12 clicks? Whereas a bounty will actually stick to you, and is a better example of a well implemented mechanic.

yea, sure.

However you still ignore fact that bounty doesn't give you killrights when wardec does.

- Yes, bounty sticks to you. And what? Unless this is really big bounty you simply don't care. That's why almost 99% of players had big red sign "WANTED" with bounty like 100.000 ISK month after we got new bounty system.
- We still have no bounty hunters.
- Bounty mostly produce tears of new players. Once new player learns more about this system he just starts to ignore bounty

And you say this mechanic is "well implemented"??? Shocked

Again: i agree that wardec system is broken. But this system is as broken as any other system we have in Eve (does anyone know any "well implemented" system in this game???). And simply using bounty system as example for wardec system won't work. They ARE different. And bounty system is broken too.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#260 - 2013-10-17 10:35:29 UTC
Onictus wrote:
No there aren't, 10 guys can clear all of the combat sites out of a region pretty quickly.

Anoms are unlimited.

Why aren't you guys running them. That pic I posted today looting the Maze was in a dead end next to what appears to be an abandoned system with a fully functional station. 2 jumps from that system and next to another apparantly abandoned station system is another dead end system, it had 7 sigs in it today, 5 of them combat sites, 2 military operations (C-Type / DG's) sigs, 3 fortresses.

2 systems down from that was another abandoned station system with a Pith Penal and some fortresses, Penals drop Pithum Adaptives 1.5 billion modules... there's combat sigs all over the place :)

I did all those, after my 800 mill drop I got jack though, one of those bad runs, just a few hundred mill in OE and a couple of crap pith hardners.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)