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you want more people going to nullsec? then buff highsec!

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Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
#401 - 2013-09-07 13:33:20 UTC
Doris Dents wrote:
People rat to replace ships because losing in EVE actually sets you back. If losing a ship didn't hurt then you'd have consequence free WoW style PVP. There are a whole crapload of games that offer that if you'd prefer constant meaningless PVP.


But not with spaceships.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#402 - 2013-09-07 13:35:39 UTC
Barzai Mekhar wrote:
Doris Dents wrote:
People rat to replace ships because losing in EVE actually sets you back. If losing a ship didn't hurt then you'd have consequence free WoW style PVP. There are a whole crapload of games that offer that if you'd prefer constant meaningless PVP.


But not with spaceships.


STO is still limping along.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#403 - 2013-09-07 13:46:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:


so you did mean mission ships of players? close to zero die of those, use your brain

however, the game is 90% about PvE that was the point, and the rats kills was the proof of it

it was discussing PvE vs. PvP then you said, no no no, PvP is much bigger, you fail so much its not funny

people spend 90-99% of their time doing PvE not PvP... and you want to keep it that way, understood


Again, if we use your logic that 99% of people just kill rats due to the number of npcs that die then we must conclude that due to the trillians of market transactions made every month that the vast bulk of EVE just play on the markets. Given that this is a pvp activity it also means that most of us pvp rather than pve.



yea trading is probably the best day to day PvP in this game

however we talked about fighting, and there is not enough of that out there

maybe you are all over 50 and do not know what a lot of fights would mean and what people could handle in that area

for me it just does not feel like much, maybe that war out there was ok, but not accessible to all

those things would need to happen around the clock, all over the map, then it would be ok

however to get there, too much grinding has to be done... thats why the output of those rats and stuff needs to be higher

1 hour maximum for 1 hour decent pvp, that would be a good ratio, not 10 hours for 20 second pew pew
bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#404 - 2013-09-07 13:47:28 UTC
In short, Harry is mad because no one gave a damn when he asked for help crushing the goonies and since then, he's spending his entire time cloaked behind gates to kill noobship or indi and yet, he wants to change the game because YES, adding an (stupid) arena will change Eve and maybe even kill it.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#405 - 2013-09-07 13:48:42 UTC
bloodknight2 wrote:
In short, Harry is mad because no one gave a damn when he asked for help crushing the goonies and since then, he's spending his entire time cloaked behind gates to kill noobship or indi and yet, he wants to change the game because YES, adding an (stupid) arena will change Eve and maybe even kill it.


its funny how you always go down the same road...
flakeys
Doomheim
#406 - 2013-09-07 13:50:44 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
what the hell are you talking about now? Of course any MMO will have more NPC's killed than actual players.. that doesn't take away from the fact that thousands and thousands of players get killed every single week.


**** gets killed on average, its close to nothing, the main gameplay is PvE and you people want it that way, got it

PvP seems to scare you all, everytime i come up with an idea to bring more to the game, you all jump around like chicken

go kill your rats and run your missions, this is eve

the competitive PvP playerbase is completely missing

yet you are even against it to bring them in

you are all scared of some true enemies, rats seem to be the right challange for you guys



Tell us more about this pvp you mention o holy cynokiller .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#407 - 2013-09-07 13:51:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
flakeys wrote:



Wich is a PLAYER versus enviremont ship.Notice it says PLAYER as in a PERSON.

You have surpassed the level of ****** lightyears ago harry the clown.

God how i pitty the people who have to be around you in rl.


people like me a lot, because I'm honest, however you just try hard to make fun of others to assure you feel better about yourself

you got the behaviour of a douche, all people around you know it

however they might not tell you to assure you do not get put down, people like you tend to be very sensitive and we know that
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#408 - 2013-09-07 13:59:10 UTC
People like you a lot...? LOL

I disagree

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#409 - 2013-09-07 14:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
SKINE DMZ wrote:
People like you a lot...? LOL


yea they do, however I got some concerns about your friendships... you also just need to make fun about others, a habbit not liked by many...

I never lough about others, I'm serious with them, thats what people like

you do not have that character strengh, you always need to make fun of others to feel better, because in yourself you are weak, thats the way you try to put others down, however it only works with children, you will have a hard time when you grow up
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#410 - 2013-09-07 14:03:55 UTC
Seems like EVE is not the only thing you are delusional about.

Also with an IQ of 150, surely you know laugh has no O in it?

I disagree

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#411 - 2013-09-07 14:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Seems like EVE is not the only thing you are delusional about.

Also with an IQ of 150, surely you know laugh has no O in it?


you can type faster without changing every wrong typed letter, the message still comes across

thats just about efficiency, you can change all letters and think you are smart, however its not smart behaviour

guys like you hold themselves up with letters, where guys like me think about the meaning and use their brains

every letter you change and search for errors, I'm getting smarter then you
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#412 - 2013-09-07 14:06:34 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:


however to get there, too much grinding has to be done... thats why the output of those rats and stuff needs to be higher

1 hour maximum for 1 hour decent pvp, that would be a good ratio, not 10 hours for 20 second pew pew


And here is the instant gratification that has killed so many MMOs.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#413 - 2013-09-07 14:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
baltec1 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:


however to get there, too much grinding has to be done... thats why the output of those rats and stuff needs to be higher

1 hour maximum for 1 hour decent pvp, that would be a good ratio, not 10 hours for 20 second pew pew


And here is the instant gratification that has killed so many MMOs.


only gameplay can kill an mmo, like mentioned people still play chess, you get a kill every 1-5 minutes, thats needed

1 kill in 1 hour on average is not enough, there is not enough

you need to get 10 pvp kills in an hour, that would be about right, not hours of waiting and grinding for one kill

it feels like you guys are no true gamers, you are more like tinkerers
flakeys
Doomheim
#414 - 2013-09-07 14:11:01 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
flakeys wrote:



Wich is a PLAYER versus enviremont ship.Notice it says PLAYER as in a PERSON.

You have surpassed the level of ****** lightyears ago harry the clown.

God how i pitty the people who have to be around you in rl.


people like me a lot, because I'm honest, however you just try hard to make fun of others to assure you feel better about yourself

you got the behaviour of a douche, all people around you know it

however they might not tell you to assure you do not get put down, people like you tend to be very sensitive and we know that



One thing we can agree on is we are both honest.The difference is i need to learn to just shut up every now and then not to make myself look like an idiot while you need to learn to shut up most of the time not to look like an idiot.

A subtle yet important difference i'd think.


It iis also funny how you call me sensitive while you are blocking everyone who disagrees with you yet i counter their arguement or suck it up.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#415 - 2013-09-07 14:12:49 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
In short, Harry is mad because no one gave a damn when he asked for help crushing the goonies and since then, he's spending his entire time cloaked behind gates to kill noobship or indi and yet, he wants to change the game because YES, adding an (stupid) arena will change Eve and maybe even kill it.


its funny how you always go down the same road...


Because it is not true?

You always thought you would get a ton of kills in VFK and seeing how empty it was (the goonies were in war and anyway, VFK isn't jita) and how hard it was to catch a ship, you were mad. You banned almost everyone from your channel because we had better things to do than playing this game 10 hours a day. What you want in this game is easy pvp. Quantity over quality. If someone disagrees with you, you take a look at his killboard and if you have more kills than him (cyno kill...), you tell him how awesome you are and how noob he is. In fact, killing 50 cyno or industrials ships with your bomber is "better" than someone who killed 10 PVP fitted ships.

This is why you are mad and you want change things in this game. The bigger your killboard is, the bigger our Epeen is.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#416 - 2013-09-07 14:13:04 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
flakeys wrote:



Wich is a PLAYER versus enviremont ship.Notice it says PLAYER as in a PERSON.

You have surpassed the level of ****** lightyears ago harry the clown.

God how i pitty the people who have to be around you in rl.


people like me a lot, because I'm honest, however you just try hard to make fun of others to assure you feel better about yourself

you got the behaviour of a douche, all people around you know it

however they might not tell you to assure you do not get put down, people like you tend to be very sensitive and we know that



One thing we can agree on is we are both honest.The difference is i need to learn to just shut up every now and then not to make myself look like an idiot while you need to learn to shut up most of the time not to look like an idiot.

A subtle yet important difference i'd think.


It iis also funny how you call me sensitive while you are blocking everyone who disagrees with you yet i counter their arguement or suck it up.


i start blocking when they start getting personal and don't talk about the topic anymore because they are lacking arguments

its always the same reason, I block you guys when you have given up talking about the topic
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#417 - 2013-09-07 14:13:57 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Seems like EVE is not the only thing you are delusional about.

Also with an IQ of 150, surely you know laugh has no O in it?


you can type faster without changing every wrong typed letter, the message still comes across

thats just about efficiency, you can change all letters and think you are smart, however its not smart behaviour

guys like you hold themselves up with letters, where guys like me think about the meaning and use their brains

every letter you change and search for errors, I'm getting smarter then you

Confirming it is hard and time consuming to spell properly first time around.

I disagree

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#418 - 2013-09-07 14:15:06 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
where guys like me think about the meaning and use their brains


Says the guy who thinks warp core stabs make him immune to bubbles.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#419 - 2013-09-07 14:15:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
bloodknight2 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
In short, Harry is mad because no one gave a damn when he asked for help crushing the goonies and since then, he's spending his entire time cloaked behind gates to kill noobship or indi and yet, he wants to change the game because YES, adding an (stupid) arena will change Eve and maybe even kill it.


its funny how you always go down the same road...


Because it is not true?

You always thought you would get a ton of kills in VFK and seeing how empty it was (the goonies were in war and anyway, VFK isn't jita) and how hard it was to catch a ship, you were mad. You banned almost everyone from your channel because we had better things to do than playing this game 10 hours a day. What you want in this game is easy pvp. Quantity over quality. If someone disagrees with you, you take a look at his killboard and if you have more kills than him (cyno kill...), you tell him how awesome you are and how noob he is. In fact, killing 50 cyno or industrials ships with your bomber is "better" than someone who killed 10 PVP fitted ships.

This is why you are mad and you want change things in this game. The bigger your killboard is, the bigger our Epeen is.


i got bored because PvP is missing right, thats the main reason i started the thread, i deleted the channel because you guys did not start pvping, you just do your boring drills

the only thing I'm mad about is you boring players not doing PvP and you are against it, you just want your waiting grinding ratting

the best players have only 1-3 kills per day, I was on the same level, its not enough... too much waiting time in between

it would not change a thing if i play longer and go out there with a bigger ship and kill cruisers instead of haulers, the result would be the same, the waitingtime and grinding even longer
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#420 - 2013-09-07 14:17:42 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:


only gameplay can kill an mmo, like mentioned people still play chess, you get a kill every 1-5 minutes, thats needed

1 kill in 1 hour on average is not enough, there is not enough

you need to get 10 pvp kills in an hour, that would be about right, not hours of waiting and grinding for one kill

it feels like you guys are no true gamers, you are more like tinkerers


Given the choice of hunting for a target for just one kill an hour or getting kills on demand I will take the hunting every time.

There is no fun in just getting everything handed to you for no effort.