EVE General Discussion

fast access to fights is not available, not the slightest

RvB : Undock, kill or be killed, dock, rinse and repeat

I did look into every area of the game, trust me, every game mode... I think we just have a different opinion on fast and fights

with fast I mean, login

choose 50 vs. 50

wait ca. 30 seconds until I'm put into the arena with some random other players, have my fight for 30-40 minutes

after that I go a bit mining run a mission grind up my metagame and shoot a goon hauler...

logoff after 1-2 hours... I got all what I need like that, however at the moment you get a lot of waiting because the first part with the action is missing

I was there to do it, too many titans and carriers, and other insane fitted ships, I can not even have all my skills because the copy was made some month ago, going to the system also did take 30 minutes from the location I was... however i did see the big gold nuggets flying around, so it was ok, biggest drawback there, you can not fly everything, you can just fly what your skill was at the time they made the copy

If you want this, then why are you playing a MMO universe simulation and not a match-made multiplayer game?

Sounds like star citizen or whatever it's called will be dumbed down enough for you, so I would help that kickstarter out.

Yeah sure. Until people complain that pvp without any reward is boring and don't bother to show up anymore (has happend in the past, e.g. look at the number of participants WOW's arenas had when rating requirements locked the average player out of buying arena reawards - there's a reason they removed ratings from all non-cosmetic items).

So now you have to come up with a rewardsystem that does not screw over people uninterested in arena. Which is quite difficult, as creating a system where all rewards gained in the arena are limited to the arena environment isn't terribly motivating either. That was one of the reasons GW2's arena system had issues, you ended up grinding days and days for a shiny pvp armor and then were unable to wear it in PvE or even world PVP.

At the same time purely cosmetical rewards have been failed to provide enough motivation to keep people interested long-term (which is why many pvp systems in MMO's rely on special "pvp"-stats, resilience in WOW, expertise in SWTOR, PVP combat rating in DCU....). While I haven't played many FPS games in the last few years, it is my understanding that eve a large number of online shooters have decided to reward combat participation with e.g. access to better weapons (that can alternatively be bought in some kind of cash shop), further illustrating the point that "static instant pvp without character developement, Unreal Tournament Style" fails to provide long-term motivation. And that's not what you want either; you want everyone to be on equal footing, so motivating people by unlocking the Tengu in arenas as a reward for their 100th win isn't the way to go.

All these changes come with a clusterfuck of side problems; people wanting to queue with their friends, people pissed because the people that queued with their friends roflstomp them due to being more organized, people botting or idling semi-afk in arenas because they want rewards but are unwilling to go through the effort of earning them...

And you believe that CCP can handle all those problems (that frequently cause headaches for far larger studios that specialize in making those types of games) without taking resources from the regular developement team, when they can't even spare the manpower to fix various UI-atrocities currently ingame, such as the POS-handling or the PI-UI?

Eve doesn't support or offer what you want, therefore you're playing the wrong game.
Eve offers me everything I want from it, and more, therefore I am playing the correct game.

Is it really that hard to understand this?

You really are playing the wrong game- if all you want is pointless instant PVP, why not play the games that are designed purely around their concept? COD et al, instant action is what those types of games excel at. EVE excels at dramatically different gameplay.

So you've been to wormholes, RvB, lowsec, FW, suicide ganker, sov blobs, NPC null, hisec wardeccer in these 4 months you've been playing? Please tell us about your experiences in every area of the game, you can start with that short list for example.

there is no other game with big spacefights, I'm in the right game, there are just some gamemodes missing, if is not what you people think of it... its what the players want it to be

I already told you my experience, I summed it up 100 times already

He rather rants about how this game should change to become what the other games are then to play those games.


I think somewhere along the line someone must have stomped on his dwarf character and now he doesn't want to go back to fairytailland.