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Olterin Fire
Caldari Navy Reserve Force
#41 - 2013-05-23 16:40:06 UTC
In addition to everything mentioned above (in particular the "no" bits), there's the consideration of just how much the servers can take. Imagine if everyone could suddenly get 10 more alt accounts, and fly them? Or for that matter that the amount of people online would multiply by 10 (arbitrary number to get the point across)? Ok, let's assume the servers can (just barely) take it - let's double the amount of people once again (keep in mind, this is without CCP getting more revenue). Servers crash and burn.

So, in my opinion, it's a very bad idea from a very technical point of view.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#42 - 2013-05-23 16:45:22 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
See that broken monument in Jita? It's broken for a reason.


The reason that the monument is broken has nothing to do with "free to play" and everything to do with "waaah! the item store items cost too much!" Players wanted microtransactions what they got was luxury items. Player wanted walking in stations, what they got was a Minmatar-themed Shoebox. A handful of players wanted more focus on spaceships, what they got was a reskinned Maller.

At the core of it, the monument in Jita is broken because CCP headed off on a tangent and didn't listen to what the players wanted, and didn't consider what was best for their virtual world. The ambulation feature taking so much developer time away from every other aspect of the game, is what caused that monument to be shot at by the pitchfork-wielding rabble.

The only thing stopping CCP from releasing some kind of "free to play" option for EVE Online is any kind of indication that doing so would be more good than bad for the game and its community.

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#43 - 2013-05-23 16:47:55 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Is this a stealth nerf highsec thread?


No, it's a troll-thread.

I would say...hmmmm...

...

3/10.


Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#44 - 2013-05-23 16:48:29 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Players wanted microtransactions

CITATION NEEDED

Mara Rinn wrote:
Player wanted walking in stations

CITATION NEEDED


☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#45 - 2013-05-23 16:52:42 UTC
Olterin Fire wrote:
In addition to everything mentioned above (in particular the "no" bits), there's the consideration of just how much the servers can take. Imagine if everyone could suddenly get 10 more alt accounts, and fly them? …

So, in my opinion, it's a very bad idea from a very technical point of view.


Technical problems have technical solutions.

The simple, concise (and thus, probably wrong) approach to preventing free-to-play accounts driving the servers into the dust is to have a separate login queue for free-to-play accounts. Subscribed players connect immediately, F2P accounts have to wait for one of the thousand F2P "login slots" to free up.

Of course you could then buy a login slot as part of a subscription (subscription includes a free skill queue, removal of trial account limitations, etc), or perhaps a cheaper login slot could be available at the price of 1 PLEX for 90 days (you still can't train skills or bypass any trial account limitations, etc). A full subscription is 1 PLEX for 30 days, which gives you a login slot, skill queue and lifting of trial/F2P account limitations (so you can disable the safety in hisec while piloting your freighter to tend your market orders and contracts).

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Adunh Slavy
#46 - 2013-05-23 16:53:19 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:

We asked CCP to fix the little things and that's what they've been doing. How you manage to twist that into CCP pushing free-to-play is beyond me.

Mr Epeen Cool



+1

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#47 - 2013-05-23 16:55:08 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Players wanted microtransactions

CITATION NEEDED


Go through the mountains of tears in the post-Incarna forum rage and see just how many people complained about the Noble Exchange items being "too expensive" (as opposed to complaining about the existence of the items in the first place).

Doc Fury wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Player wanted walking in stations

CITATION NEEDED


Continual requests for more items in the Noble Exchange store, continual discussion about space barbies.

Now you know the key words to search for, you can find the copious references yourself.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-05-23 17:01:40 UTC
I support F2P but only if F2P'ers are prohibited from using the market, trading with other players, and locking or accessing anything in space.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#49 - 2013-05-23 17:04:23 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Players wanted microtransactions

CITATION NEEDED


Go through the mountains of tears in the post-Incarna forum rage and see just how many people complained about the Noble Exchange items being "too expensive" (as opposed to complaining about the existence of the items in the first place).


Doc Fury wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Player wanted walking in stations

CITATION NEEDED


Continual requests for more items in the Noble Exchange store, continual discussion about space barbies.

Now you know the key words to search for, you can find the copious references yourself.


No, you said players WANTED MT. Show me your source for that. I have yet to encounter anyone in game who actually wanted that except for you. Pricing is not at issue and was not referenced in my request.

I have however experienced players who want WIS, show me some statistics where this constitutes more than a dozen or so of the same players posting over and over in the same "GIEV WIS NAOW!!!" threads.





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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-05-23 17:17:42 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?

(I suppose you could even 'police' where they could go with Concord and limit to certain ships)



Would this mean more potential customers for CCP?


Would this mean a massive influx of useless alts or bots?

What does the community think? I am interested


This is a bad idea and you should feel so bad that you give me your toon and all its assets, then leave and never come back.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-05-23 17:19:46 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
See that broken monument in Jita? It's broken for a reason.


^ this guy wins the entire thread

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#52 - 2013-05-23 17:43:02 UTC
Just no.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Azeroth Uluntil
Last Chance for Redemption
FFEW Associates
#53 - 2013-05-23 17:56:06 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
I think maybe some have put too much of their own opinion into my original post.

Many thanks btw to those of you who have replied intelligently (there are far too many knuckledragging trolls these days lol)

I wasn't really meaning a change to the way eve plays by making the whole game free and adding premium items - more making a cut down version of Eve to get those interested who do not want to pay on a monthly basis.

So you are not adding anything but subtracting things for non subscribers.

Personally I thought it may bring an influx of new players.
Those who get the hang of it and want more will subscribe for the abilities I mentioned.

CCP are already adding training for plex with the 2 on one account thingymaboby.

You still give someone the 15 days free (as now) but then the training stops, the implants stop.

This may allow players to taste more of the game before deciding to quit forever because of learning curve etc.

TBH its not much different from what you have now except the unsubbed accounts can still fly around and partake in the Eve universe - but with limits.

Like I said - Just interested in intelligent opinions

(but will read troll replies for laffs and pity)



You post a thread with one of the worst ideas imaginable and expect intelligent opinions? You sir, must be trolling. Or just mentally defunct.

I hope F2P doesn't ever hit eve online. Causes way too many problems in the long run.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-05-23 17:59:33 UTC
Just no no no no and fcking NO !



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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2013-05-23 17:59:41 UTC
this is a nerf afk cloaking thread?
No

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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-05-23 18:07:36 UTC
Hey, OP..... Aion is that way ------>

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Adunh Slavy
#57 - 2013-05-23 18:17:17 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:

Go through the mountains of tears in the post-Incarna forum rage and see just how many people complained about the Noble Exchange items being "too expensive" (as opposed to complaining about the existence of the items in the first place).


Have to go against ya on this. The fear was MTs leading to a pay-to-win situation, that people would pay to get items magiced into the game, thus hurting the entire sandbox.

Not too many people cared about the fact that vanity items were introduced, pure vanity who cares. But $1000 pants was icing on the cake, and that was after the Golden Scorp, and 18 months awesomeness etc. It simply added to the 'greed' narrative that was forming. Then the news letter and devs in flames at CQ doors, one of the most epic and funny threads of all time, even if "DIAF" did get someone in trouble.

Hillmar assured us that pay-to-win was not going to be in Eve and that there was essentially a miscommunication. The pictures of ponies dying due to dread agro ceased and we all had a big hug.

I suspect we all have a slightly different perspective, from my recollection, pay to win was the biggest and most damaging, to the game, issue that players were expressing.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#58 - 2013-05-23 18:18:15 UTC
EVE F2P = P2W for subs

Not a good idea at all...

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
Mag's
Azn Empire
#59 - 2013-05-23 18:42:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Six Six Six wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Mag's wrote:
The simply way to look at it is that individuals may play for free, but as a Plex can only exist through RL cash, it means Eve isn't free to play. It's a rather elegant solution.



But then you could say the same about F2P shops, those buying from the shop ensures that it can afford to be F2P.
The point is that with Eve, the Plex's core purpose is to supply gametime. That''s the difference.




The point I was trying to make is PLEX can only exist through RL cash, but so does F2P accounts in F2P games due to people using the F2P shops.

So people buying PLEX from CCP fund the accounts via PLEX in exchange for isk of people that use the PLEX to extend their game time. People that use an F2P shops are funding those accounts that never use the F2P shops. So I don't really see that much difference.
I already noted that a Plex only exists through RL cash.

The main difference between the two, is the fact that to play Eve for free requires you trading in-game money for that Plex. Thus not one account except trial ones, could be said to be F2P.

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Sishen Gzi
Hellion Support Services
#60 - 2013-05-23 18:56:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sishen Gzi
Quote:

Doc Fury wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Player wanted walking in stations

CITATION NEEDED


Continual requests for more items in the Noble Exchange store, continual discussion about space barbies.

Now you know the key words to search for, you can find the copious references yourself.


Mara is right, the numbers of players that want WiS is so large that when they unsubscribe CCP will have to institute massive layoffs and switch to years of patches that reassure these players that CCP cares about their concerns. Oh wait... that was the exact opposite of what happened.