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Eve F2P?

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Yim Sei
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-23 13:25:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Yim Sei
...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?

(I suppose you could even 'police' where they could go with Concord and limit to certain ships)



Would this mean more potential customers for CCP?


Would this mean a massive influx of useless alts or bots?

What does the community think? I am interested

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.

Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-05-23 13:32:01 UTC
How about no?
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-05-23 13:36:01 UTC
If you can't afford 15 lousy bucks a month for 1 account you gotta be in sad shape...
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-05-23 13:36:45 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?

(I suppose you could even 'police' where they could go with Concord and limit to certain ships)



Would this mean more potential customers for CCP?


Would this mean a massive influx of useless alts or bots?

What does the community think? I am interested

Why?

Answer why this would be better than the current trial system and I might think about it.

As it is, no, bad idea.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-05-23 13:36:56 UTC
EVE is already F2P if you earn enough in-game to pay for it in PLEX.

Kris Xavier
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#6 - 2013-05-23 13:38:00 UTC
Just No.
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-05-23 13:40:01 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
...Drivel


lots of accounts are free to play atm thanks to the introduction of PLEX


already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....

Yim Sei
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-05-23 13:41:07 UTC
Thank you for your well thought out and considered replies.

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.

floating in space
#9 - 2013-05-23 13:46:11 UTC
This would probably hamper CCP's ability to develop DUST and WoD
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#10 - 2013-05-23 13:55:30 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
EVE is already F2P if you earn enough in-game to pay for it in PLEX.



It is not free to play. Free to play implies that the game is 100% free to play. This game is not free. You spend your time grinding isk to pay for a gtc that someone else paid for with RL cash. Your times is worth something and you had to purchase an item that was purchased with RL cash. So EvE is not F2P.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-05-23 13:56:40 UTC
PLEX is not F2P? Hmm...

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.

Saheed Cha'chris'ra
Krautz WH Exploration and Production
#12 - 2013-05-23 13:59:41 UTC
All MMO's which were Pay2Play first and were introduced to the F2P-Market failed in the long run. If you want to make a F2P-Game you have to be very careful to get no Pay2win-Imbalance, because then your game will fail.

Eve is not suited for such a model, and not suited for having things like golden ammo with extra damage for $!
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
No Forks Given
#13 - 2013-05-23 14:04:04 UTC
Your mom is...ehh too easy

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Sobach
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-23 14:05:28 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
Thank you for your well thought out and considered replies.


After carefully reading over your post and some thoughtful deliberations, I've arrived at the conclusion that there was not a single idea in your post that was not utter crap.

Thank you, now go away.
Lucretia DeWinter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-05-23 14:08:16 UTC
Companies need to make money. Otherwise they go out of business.

There are other aspects of an F2P model than just being free to play.

They also require some form of revenue or income, which in the vast majority of cases is through micro-transactions.

Micro-transactions = pay-to-win in pretty much every incarnation.


The imbalance, however slight, between people who actually have a job and can easily pay a subscription or buy PLEX and die hard F2P players who never spend real money leads to long drawn out arguments and resentment.

imagine any of the threads on Skill Point totals and make it 10x worse.


F2P is never a good plan for any game where player interaction is the primary focus over Missions and PVE.

There is money to made in the F2P model, but it always struggles long term. None of the F2P games I've played are still alive and healthy after 3 years, let alone 10.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#16 - 2013-05-23 14:09:47 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
EVE is already F2P if you earn enough in-game to pay for it in PLEX.



It is not free to play. Free to play implies that the game is 100% free to play. This game is not free. You spend your time grinding isk to pay for a gtc that someone else paid for with RL cash. Your times is worth something and you had to purchase an item that was purchased with RL cash. So EvE is not F2P.


PLEX is sorta kinda F2P.

If you're going to say that it's definitely not because every account is paid for, well then virtually no games are F2P by that definition - high spending "whale" players effectively pay for all those free accounts. If no one paid anything, then those F2P games would immediately shut down.

In EVE the link is more direct, but it's still the same effect. I think EVE's system is much better than the traditional "freemium" cash shop model. It's a lot more honest too IMO.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-05-23 14:14:59 UTC
You can only train skills on a paid account?

So what's the point of an F2P one then?
De'Veldrin
Adversity.
Psychotic Tendencies.
#18 - 2013-05-23 14:21:37 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?

(I suppose you could even 'police' where they could go with Concord and limit to certain ships)



Would this mean more potential customers for CCP?


Would this mean a massive influx of useless alts or bots?

What does the community think? I am interested


The community thinks you're daft, judging by the responses. What you've proposed is an F2P model that is less useful than the current trial accounts (which are, by the way, already free). Unless you plan to start suicide gank alts that only use noob ships, it's a terrible idea with absolutely no premeditation on the ramifications of the limitations you've proposed.

tl;dr: The community thinks you're idiot. Carry on.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#19 - 2013-05-23 14:29:31 UTC
Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly wrote:
You can only train skills on a paid account?

So what's the point of an F2P one then?


Cyno alt. Freighter alt. Suicide ganking alt. There are any number of reasons why people would play characters on accounts that have no upkeep costs, regardless of the limitations imposed on those accounts. Note that trial accounts have some very severe limitations which would not impact suicide ganking alts (as one example). Free To Play suicide ganking alts could potentially be eliminated by prohibiting free accounts from disabling the "safety switch" (i.e.: setting it to anything other than green).

Should CCP at some point decide to introduce a Free To Play option for EVE Online, I can see that it would be technically feasible, though I would worry about the consequences to the game and the community.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-05-23 14:32:37 UTC
Is this a stealth nerf highsec thread?

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