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Eve F2P?

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Six Six Six
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-05-23 14:35:41 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Is this a stealth nerf highsec thread?


It seemed more like a how to ruin the game thread to me.
De'Veldrin
Adversity.
Psychotic Tendencies.
#22 - 2013-05-23 14:36:29 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly wrote:
You can only train skills on a paid account?

So what's the point of an F2P one then?


Cyno alt. Freighter alt. Suicide ganking alt.


Based on the limitations proposed in the OP (specifically, unable to inject/train skills) none of these would be possible.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

C DeLeon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-05-23 14:37:52 UTC
Adunh Slavy
#24 - 2013-05-23 14:38:34 UTC
See that broken monument in Jita? It's broken for a reason.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

De'Veldrin
Adversity.
Psychotic Tendencies.
#25 - 2013-05-23 14:39:07 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
See that broken monument in Jita? It's broken for a reason.


I swear I wasn't piloting my freighter drunk.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#26 - 2013-05-23 14:44:43 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
EVE is already F2P if you earn enough in-game to pay for it in PLEX.



It is not free to play. Free to play implies that the game is 100% free to play. This game is not free. You spend your time grinding isk to pay for a gtc that someone else paid for with RL cash. Your times is worth something and you had to purchase an item that was purchased with RL cash. So EvE is not F2P.
I see both arguments.

The simply way to look at it is that individuals may play for free, but as a Plex can only exist through RL cash, it means Eve isn't free to play. It's a rather elegant solution.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Six Six Six
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-05-23 14:56:34 UTC
Mag's wrote:
The simply way to look at it is that individuals may play for free, but as a Plex can only exist through RL cash, it means Eve isn't free to play. It's a rather elegant solution.



But then you could say the same about F2P shops, those buying from the shop ensures that it can afford to be F2P.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-05-23 15:05:11 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?


You are aware what you just said right?
Danbar Roth
Moon Goo Ltd
#29 - 2013-05-23 15:07:54 UTC
I haven't payed for eve (real money wise) is about five years. No grinding needed, its very easy to make 600mill in game if you know what you doing, no more than a day a month MAX.

Seems free to play for my bank account.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#30 - 2013-05-23 15:14:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Six Six Six wrote:
Mag's wrote:
The simply way to look at it is that individuals may play for free, but as a Plex can only exist through RL cash, it means Eve isn't free to play. It's a rather elegant solution.



But then you could say the same about F2P shops, those buying from the shop ensures that it can afford to be F2P.
The point is that with Eve, the Plex's core purpose is to supply gametime. That''s the difference.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#31 - 2013-05-23 15:19:51 UTC
They've been pushing the whole pay to win f2p model for a while. Just look at the facts. Ever since Incarna, it's been painfully obvious that overhead on Eve development has decreased, with every new expansion just being more and more recycled content surrounded by shiny new things that ultimately don't add content to the game.

Next, we can look at the launcher. It's generally a given that Eve players know where to find information, so why would you make a launcher that looks like every other game, and which is ultimately just a giant billboard for players who already give you money? The reason is that it is the perfect billboard for which to post adds for bunny hats.

Then we have Dust, which is just pay to win period. Nuff said.

After that, we have the homogenization and nerfing of pvp in general in Eve. The introduction of t3's and T3's (both of which are op) make accessing high levels of Eve pvp rediculously easy for characters with less than 10mil sp, on top of which are the upcoming skill changes which only add to the problem. Hell they even renamed prop mods and missles (WHICH WERE ALREADY COLOR CODED) to make things 'easier'.

Now for a playerbase that prides itself on intelligence and challenging gameplay, why would they even think to do this? The answer is that they are trying to proliferate the playerbase with a less questioning and easier to satisfy horde of 12 year old newfags that will happily fork over grandma's credit card for bunnyhats and gold ammo.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#32 - 2013-05-23 15:23:25 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
How about no?


No is a good answer. I'll go with no.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Six Six Six
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-05-23 15:29:35 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Mag's wrote:
The simply way to look at it is that individuals may play for free, but as a Plex can only exist through RL cash, it means Eve isn't free to play. It's a rather elegant solution.



But then you could say the same about F2P shops, those buying from the shop ensures that it can afford to be F2P.
The point is that with Eve, the Plex's core purpose is to supply gametime. That''s the difference.




The point I was trying to make is PLEX can only exist through RL cash, but so does F2P accounts in F2P games due to people using the F2P shops.

So people buying PLEX from CCP fund the accounts via PLEX in exchange for isk of people that use the PLEX to extend their game time. People that use an F2P shops are funding those accounts that never use the F2P shops. So I don't really see that much difference.
Helios Aquiness
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-05-23 15:36:02 UTC
Saheed Cha'chris'ra wrote:
All MMO's which were Pay2Play first and were introduced to the F2P-Market failed in the long run. If you want to make a F2P-Game you have to be very careful to get no Pay2win-Imbalance, because then your game will fail.

Eve is not suited for such a model, and not suited for having things like golden ammo with extra damage for $!


Not true, LOTRO went for the hybrid model a few years ago and they are still going strong. Personally I think hybrid is the best model but I like EVE's Make some one else pay 2 play or as I call it. MSOEP2P
Carebear? Im a brony, motherf***er.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-05-23 15:40:32 UTC
Helios Aquiness wrote:

Make some one else pay 2 play or as I call it. MSOEP2P



I thought that was the point, no matter which F2P model you chose, someone else is paying for those that don't.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#36 - 2013-05-23 15:42:55 UTC
Korinne wrote:
They've been pushing the whole pay to win f2p model for a while. Just look at the facts. Ever since Incarna, it's been painfully obvious that overhead on Eve development has decreased, with every new expansion just being more and more recycled content surrounded by shiny new things that ultimately don't add content to the game.



We asked CCP to fix the little things and that's what they've been doing. How you manage to twist that into CCP pushing free-to-play is beyond me.

Mr Epeen Cool
Yim Sei
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-05-23 16:04:52 UTC
I think maybe some have put too much of their own opinion into my original post.

Many thanks btw to those of you who have replied intelligently (there are far too many knuckledragging trolls these days lol)

I wasn't really meaning a change to the way eve plays by making the whole game free and adding premium items - more making a cut down version of Eve to get those interested who do not want to pay on a monthly basis.

So you are not adding anything but subtracting things for non subscribers.

Personally I thought it may bring an influx of new players.
Those who get the hang of it and want more will subscribe for the abilities I mentioned.

CCP are already adding training for plex with the 2 on one account thingymaboby.

You still give someone the 15 days free (as now) but then the training stops, the implants stop.

This may allow players to taste more of the game before deciding to quit forever because of learning curve etc.

TBH its not much different from what you have now except the unsubbed accounts can still fly around and partake in the Eve universe - but with limits.

Like I said - Just interested in intelligent opinions

(but will read troll replies for laffs and pity)

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#38 - 2013-05-23 16:08:49 UTC
Ban OP, gas thread.


There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Andrea Griffin
#39 - 2013-05-23 16:29:03 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
PLEX is not F2P? Hmm...
It's not - for that PLEX to exist, someone had to buy a game time code (money to CCP) and convert it into PLEX. When you buy it with ISK and redeem the PLEX, you may not have paid real world money for the 30 days but someone else did.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#40 - 2013-05-23 16:31:59 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Cyno alt. Freighter alt. Suicide ganking alt.


Based on the limitations proposed in the OP (specifically, unable to inject/train skills) none of these would be possible.


Well, once the skills are trained, no further training is required. So get a F2P account, PLEX the training queue for 30 days, return to "unsubscribed" or "Free to play" status, profit? The difficulty would arise if CCP wanted to apply trial account limitations to "free to play" accounts under this model: would you stop the character being able to fly industrials and freighters which they have trained for when they revert to unsubscribed? Such discussions could go on for quite some time of course.

On one hand, I can see reasons to allow people to fly spaceships but not train skills, post market orders or interact with contracts if they are not subscribed. This would allow for a greater population of active pilots in the virtual world, adding richness to the universe by simply existing.

On the other hand, having free hauler & cyno alts available at call could be harmful to the game. Would address this by imposing restrictions on unsubscribed accounts be sufficient address the possible abuses?