EVE General Discussion

Keep in mind CCP saw fit to buff miner barges for some reason. People debate on the real reason, but the main truth is they buffed it. Obviously, it wasn't to help in the PVPing of said ships. So in some regard CCP has a mind out to those who aren't completely PVP oriented. They added PI which wasn't PVP related. They added incursions which also doesn't seem to be that PVP related. So yes, there is a market for non-PVP oriented players it seems. Is the newest expansion even that PVP oriented? I suppose WH exploration can be, but aren't they talking about exploration in hi-sec as well?

Anyways, of course if I quit it wouldn't change the market, but if everyone who played industry quit, then you would notice.

Or do you really mine your own ore and build your own ships?

If you do then you must not be a glorious PVPer doing such menial tasks.

On a side note, there is horrible profit margins in building ships for other players. Hell, even catalysts have crappy mineral price to sell value. I prefer other goods which I suspect aren't used for PVP because IMO they aren't really good for PVP. And I ice mine too... I suppose that goes to fuel stations which don't actually participate in PVP that much except on the receiving end. I don't believe you can use ice to shoot down another ship.

So in that regard, my personal profits aren't exactly affected by PVP, but I'm sure others are so we should accept the fact you need both industry players and combat players.

Simply saying EVE is all about blowing up ships and nothing else is quite shortsighted. CCP understands that in a sandbox you must have all types of playstyles which they obviously cater too.

I mean all those players who station trade, do industry, run PVE and incusions, and explore sites must count for something, no?

I did get one with this account, the other account got a free ship, and I am making good use of the accelerator on this account, training up on trade. I will take a shot at it tomorrow, hopefully it will keep me busy while I get my other character trained up in cruisers to be able to do some Pvp or at least higher level missions (I know missions suck and I don't wanna do them forever, but I need something to do until I get into a corp).

Anyway I am sorry if I seemed like I was bashing the game that many of you love, I guess in way I was, I was just frustrated at playing a week and really not accomplishing much of anything. I know a week isn't much for those of you who have played for years and years, but for me having put a lot of hours in that week, maybe 25 it seems like a lot.

So I will stick with it, and I did cancel my accounts, but it hopefully I find something worth while, and a reason to keep playing.
thanks.

To the poster above me, I am trying to get into eve uni, currently like a 3 week wait I heard , which is also frustrating when I just want to join a corp and enjoy playing with and learning from others.

I think you have it wrong and a bit backwards. EVE isn't catering to a few bitter vets and never has. It has always been made more accessible and new player friendly. What it does though is cater to a specific gamestyle and player type. For some reason this seems to cause uncontrollable rage in the player types it doesn't cater to and they come here regularly to tell us how CCP is doing it wrong and how EVE will soon die, if CCP doesn't change the game to their demands. Yet this never actually happens.

This is were they seem to get it backwards a bit. CCP hasn't changed the game for them and EVE have done great, while pretty much every sub MMO outside WoW has tanked hard and is now less played then EVE. Even WoW only spikes during expansions, but outside them it has been steadily losing subs for years now. So looking things from that perspective, it seems that EVE is actually one of the few sub MMOs which has managed to survive the market demands/conditions and it did that by doing it's own thing.

I have my qualms about WoW, but it is the most popular MMO. It can't be ignored. Gamers are going to drift into EvE from WoW, and some are pretty good gamers at that.

EvE is a sandbox game, but it breaks some conventions that's consistent in gaming -- like it's UI. PvPers are used to moving actively, and I have to admit, healing in Dragonsoul is more competitive than the fighting in EvE.

I miss the addons the most, as it allowed customization of the UI for specific tasks -- and not taking up the entire monitor. As a healer in WoW I may had a healbox, but it didn't take up as much screen real estate as the overview in EvE, including on 40man BGs. That stuff is out of control in EvE.

Funny, because you can look at EVEWho and quickly find out that people are joining up with them within days of creating their characters or leaving their previous corps.

PvE will exist in EvE, as CCP even realizes that a % of the population wants to do other things than just kill things. And from what I heard from the PvPers too, those incursions are tougher than the PvP that's going on. Those PvErs have to go in with the most expensive ships, not throwaway destroyers, and risk billions. Imagine the cries of PvE now being tougher than PvP, because like it is in WoW, raiding takes planning and gear, arenas don't take as much.

I didn't come to EvE for the PvP (I can get that in 100000000001 other games), I came because it has the best crafting system/market in MMOs. I realize it is a PvP game, but also realize -- from playing WoW and other MMOs -- not everyone likes crafting, and someone has to make the beans and bullets.

Both co-exist because both need each other. PvErs to make isk/RP, PvPers for the gear to keep pewpewpewing.

Yeah, well it isn't the case with me, I did everything they asked and haven't heard anything from them. I know someone too who joined literally a day after applying. But when I asked how long it would take, one of their officers told me three weeks, so I guess just like any other group there are exceptions, especially if they think you fill some role that they are looking for.

I have no reason to lie if that's what your implying, and don't really see any reason why I would lie about it.

Your taking what I said out of context, not to mention delving into specifics when I was making generalizations.

Destroyers aren't always the best ships to use. Try a relatively tanky frigate like a Merlin, which is harder for the larger rats to hit, but still does enough DPS to take them down.

Nope.

Your argument was some deep pockets can run the market, and that's not true.