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Seemingly Mindless Pvp: Any Relevant Point?

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Corey Fumimasa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#161 - 2013-03-22 15:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
How about - all noobships are cynos.

Even if they are not cynos, they are not us.

Shoot it. NBSI is the whole rule of the law.


)) NBSI is for cowardly, war mongering, savages who deep down in the places that they dare not look at are really just bears in space. ((

*For those who may be new to Eve NBSI is "Not Blue Shoot It". So anyone not in your alliance or on your alliances blue list gets shot. This policy is common in null-sec, it is contrasted by NRDS or "Not Red Don't Shoot" which is practiced by non null-bear alliances.
Corey Fumimasa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#162 - 2013-03-22 15:38:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Asmodai Xodai,


After some months here, and 50 or 100 losses, you will find yourself sitting at a gate. Chatting with friends or going over market orders. Knowing how to fly and understanding Eve you will be safe there. If someone shows up you will see their bright background on your OV, or you will hear the gate activate. No rush, the people in local are all familiar to you if not allies, but certainly not scouts. So if someone engages you will jump through the gate to safety, or you will let the gate guns do their work, or whatever.

One day another player will land on grid and pause for a few seconds. This player will be a war target or have a flag for some other reason. You will lock that ship up because after playing for a while that becomes instinct. When that happens you will think back to all the ships you lost; and how interesting it was learning the how's and the why's, how exhilarating it was, and still is, when you escape by the hair of your teeth. You will remember all the people who ever shot at you, and you will probably smile as it becomes crystal clear why Eve is the greatest MMO ever.

All this will happen in a split second. And all the while your index finger will hover over the F1 key. You may or may not press it, I've seen players go either way, both options are good. Regardless of your choice when that day comes you will have an answer to your question.

In the mean time, welcome to New Eden.

FS
Theirin Dobex
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2013-03-22 15:43:07 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
[quote=Slymah]
I'll be a rational cat one day in the future - attacking mice or birds for a rational game reason. I won't do it just to do it - I would consider it a waste of my time.


Goodness, you're just a self-righteous delight, aren't you?

If you can't understand fun, then try to understand strategy. I've been playing for less than a week and even I can grasp that if a group wants to hold onto their section of low-sec, then it's advantageous to them to prevent what might be a scout ship entry to their location.

[i]Well-behaved women seldom make history. - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

I aim to misbehave. - Malcolm Reynolds[/i]

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#164 - 2013-05-10 07:45:16 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
UGH social Darwinism is pernicious and wrong. First couple pages of this thread were uglier than usual.

Bosena, Qualm Singulari sniping indies and everything in Amarr battleships. I fly me reaper out to loot wrecks, just to be a ****. POW now i'm in Heild, jump or so away where i have me clone.
Charge in reaper! POW
WaaaaAAARRgggHH POW
Hey you guise wats goin POW

Eventually there was this cloud of my corpses and wrecks. One guy asked if he got loyalty points podding me and i'm like SURE WHY NOT KNOCK YOURSELF OUT.
POW
Yargh my anus! POW
Think of the children POW
Wait don't shoot POW


They all docked up. I came back in a wreathe and made 7 trips moving all the loot they left. It really is no fun when the victim is having fun with it. Spaec adventure gaem allows you to entirely embrace the punk rock concept of accepting the terms of your enemy's attack and even siding with your enemy in that attack.

The egotists in eve are the cruellest and at the same time the most susceptible to suffering, funny how that works.
TLDR for the livestock: Flexibility allows speed




/Thread.

Best. Post. Ever.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

whispous
The Congregation
No Handlebars.
#165 - 2013-05-10 07:50:50 UTC
Ill stop mashing noobs skillessly when noobs stop carrying plexes in ibises
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#166 - 2013-05-10 08:00:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
From my experience, there are a number of reasons for random PvP:

1 - The chance of epic loots. Who knows what tasty stuff you're carrying. I've seen examples of insane drops from something as worthless as a shuttle.

2 - Killboards. Some people live and die for their killboards. Though obviously impressive kills are more desirable, freaking everyone wants that carrier killmail, many settle for just about anything that explodes.

3 - Tear extraction. I feel you likely fall under this category, OP. They want nothing more than to bask in the misery and shower in the tears of their victims.

Of course, there are seperate reasons, such as highsec warfare, often caused by a percieved insult or "something". And nullsec PvP can be justified by them "protecting their space". Though ultimately, i think that the main reason is that PvP is one of the core elements of EvE, and its just fun to blow **** up! Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#167 - 2013-05-10 08:34:26 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:

3 - Tear extraction. I feel you likely fall under this category, OP. They want nothing more than to bask in the misery and shower in the tears of their victims.


But can you ever really trust the tears of a man that hides his face behind a hood?
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#168 - 2013-05-10 10:42:22 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
Obligatory disclaimers to address the ever-present trolls:

1) Yes, you can find a recent kill on the killboards of a noobship impairor, which happened in a 0.4 sec system.

2) No, that incident isn't what "caused" this post. This kind of thing has been going on ever since I first started the game over a month ago. It is just the latest thing to make me chuckle, shake my head, and question exactly what is going on.

3) No, I have half a billion in funds right at the moment, so I could care less about the loss of the free noobship, nor the loss of the half-a-mil venture I lost right before it, nor the loss of another venture before that one, nor... (blah blah).

4) No, these aren't "carebear tears" or "noobtears" or blah blah, but if you like to "feast" on such things, and you want to imagine that they are, knock yourself out, and more power to you.

5) No, I don't want anything changed about the game.

6) No, I don't want this, or other practices banned.

7) Yes, I understand that PvP can occur anytime in this game, and that you are never "truly safe," least of all in low-sec or null sec or whatever.

So, is there some relevant point I'm missing to what I will call "seemingly mindless PvP?" I'm asking because I truly don't know the answer (in other words, maybe there is a relevant point and I just don't know what it is).

Definition of terms:

RELEVANT POINT - Something that serves a strategic, tactical, or economic gaming purpose (procurement of resources; acquiring a strategic, tactical, or economic advantage; denial of such things to a rival; etc). Examples: 1) Piracy where you actually take somebody's stuff. 2) Killing mining (or other) ships in a system claimed by a corporation you work for (i.e. defending assets). 3) Hell, even honing your skills by taking on a ship that might offer some sort of challenge to you.

SEEMINGLY MINDLESS PVP - PvP which seems to have no relevant point (see above). Examples: 1) Attacking and blowing up noobships with ships that are ridiculously overpowered compared to noobships when there is absolutely nothing to gain economically, militarily, strategically, tactically, or otherwise.

Anyway, as far as I know, you don't earn "experience points" in this game by killing stuff, do you? And in the examples I am referring to, there is no piracy happening (stuff isn't taken from the victim - in fact there isn't any stuff to take). There are no assets being defended by the perpetrator because the perpetrator is never in a corp which owns the system in question (in fact, as far as I know 0.4 sec can't be owned by player corps), and the perpetrator seems to be operating as a "lone wolf."

At any rate, anytime - I repeat anytime - I venture into a system with less than 0.5 security, I get killed by what I have termed "seemingly mindless PvP," meaning I can see no relevant point to being aggressed. It always occurs in the exact same fashion, with the exact same hallmarks:

1) Perpetrator's ship is hilariously overpowered compared to mine - Drakes, Tengus, etc. vs. noobships.

2) Perpetrator's ship is always cloaked.

3) Perpetrator always uses some kind of hilariously overpowered missle or torpedo or bomb which essentially one-shots my noobship.

4) Perpetrator always takes huge delight in "winning" this engagement, and really seems to "get off" on it. Perpetrator seems to believe he's made some sort of huge accomplishment.

Usually I'm messaged by the perpetrator. The conversation always goes the same. This was the conversation from a recent engagement:

EDIT: Chat logs may not be posted except in certain forums. General discussion is not one of them. Therefore the chat has been deleted - ISD Tyrozan

Believe it or not, I actually did start working on creating as many noobships as I could, for the express purpose of towing them over to this guy in my industrial ship, and hopping in them one by one so he could kill them all. However, midway through the process I had to stop playing the game to address a real life concern.

I used to go into these lower-sec systems simply to explore my way around the game (I'm merely talking 0.4 systems, not 0 secs or negative secs). After all, all I ever read on the forums is put-downs of so-called "carebears," high-sec'ers, people who live in high-sec or don't venture into low sec, etc. But nowadays, I simply venture to these places once in a while to count down how long it takes to be killed in the exact same fashion as mentioned above (usually less than 2 minutes).

Oh, these events happen in different systems, not the same system. And the perpetrators are different, not the same.

To reiterate the question before concluding this post, is there any relevant point that I am missing? I understand there could be "irrelevant points" - getting off on blowing something to smithereens which poses no challenge or threat to you whatsoever, bullying, etc. (like beating up a cripple).


god damn that's a shitload of tears.

and I honestly don't understand what you're missing, it's simple: Blowing up ships is fun. Killing other players in vidya games is fun.

That's it.

Really.

The point to anything in EVE is just doing something you enjoy (or doing things you dont enjoy to better enable you to do things you do enjoy later...)
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#169 - 2013-05-10 11:12:13 UTC
Don't you understand how hilarious it is to watch someone rage over lost pixels??

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#170 - 2013-05-10 11:18:28 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
If a corp can control traffic through a system by means of violence then it's their system until someone can kick them out, despite the game mechanics not being there to legitimise their claim, it happens in highsec, lowsec and NPC nullsec.


Does this make Jita a goon system twice a year? ;-)

Remove insurance.

Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#171 - 2013-05-10 11:20:14 UTC
Relevant points are not found by posting on these forums.

In after the lock :P   - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies

dethleffs
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#172 - 2013-05-10 11:24:46 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
UGH social Darwinism is pernicious and wrong. First couple pages of this thread were uglier than usual.

Bosena, Qualm Singulari sniping indies and everything in Amarr battleships. I fly me reaper out to loot wrecks, just to be a ****. POW now i'm in Heild, jump or so away where i have me clone.
Charge in reaper! POW
WaaaaAAARRgggHH POW
Hey you guise wats goin POW

Eventually there was this cloud of my corpses and wrecks. One guy asked if he got loyalty points podding me and i'm like SURE WHY NOT KNOCK YOURSELF OUT.
POW
Yargh my anus! POW
Think of the children POW
Wait don't shoot POW


They all docked up. I came back in a wreathe and made 7 trips moving all the loot they left. It really is no fun when the victim is having fun with it. Spaec adventure gaem allows you to entirely embrace the punk rock concept of accepting the terms of your enemy's attack and even siding with your enemy in that attack.

The egotists in eve are the cruellest and at the same time the most susceptible to suffering, funny how that works.
TLDR for the livestock: Flexibility allows speed




wow. Can I have yer baybees?
Prince Kobol
#173 - 2013-05-10 11:27:55 UTC
hehe.. poor little null bear crying over losing ships on GD
Karig'Ano Keikira
Tax Cheaters
#174 - 2013-05-10 11:35:42 UTC
slightly off topic: are there any NRDS alliances in EVE these days?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Ronins
#175 - 2013-05-10 11:36:00 UTC
Cel Nobol wrote:
We pvp, because we can.

EvE's slogan should be EvE: Online - Because we can


If you want a point, kill your target, take their stuff.



EvE is a sandbox game, a big game that has spaceships with guns on them.

There you go.


You should tell this to some of the "if you see our guys use ECM contact a diplo" corps, like WTF is that about Lol
Corey Fumimasa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#176 - 2013-05-10 11:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Karig'Ano Keikira wrote:
slightly off topic: are there any NRDS alliances in EVE these days?


Yes of course. NRDS is the best way to play the game. All the alliances are discussing going this route, all you loose is the whiny nullbears and the elitists who cling to NBSI ways.

However as far as I know we are all still in Providence. http://providenceregion.blogspot.com/
Praethus Tirdran
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2013-05-10 11:55:32 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:



I'm asking what's the point to doing such a thing where there is no benefit.[/quote]

Simply, because they can. There is no deeper meaning. No goal. Irrational behavior is irrational and cannot be rationalized. So its better for you to not ask for a rationalization, as there none to give that you will find satisfactory.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#178 - 2013-05-10 12:27:00 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


god damn that's a shitload of tears.

and I honestly don't understand what you're missing, it's simple: Blowing up ships is fun. Killing other players in vidya games is fun.

That's it.

Really.

The point to anything in EVE is just doing something you enjoy (or doing things you don't enjoy to better enable you to do things you do enjoy later...)


You can tell the guy that all day, but on some level he's really incapable of internalizing any kind of position that he himself wouldn't hold. You can see that in his other thread on the exact same topic (he keeps trying to fit his values into the situation asking "what I am missing" when what he's missing is his own mental infirmity lol).
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#179 - 2013-05-11 02:41:33 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Don't you understand how hilarious it is to watch someone rage over lost pixels??

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??

Yeah, I am definitely entertained.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

OfBalance
Caldari State
#180 - 2013-05-11 02:44:02 UTC
Late to another gem of a Gents thread.

Damn