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Syndic Thrass
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#421 - 2012-05-09 07:31:47 UTC
RealaiX wrote:
[quote=Snow Axe][quote=RealaiX]Stupid bullshit


Dear miners bitching in this thread,
I recently realized that Syndic has almots 7.0 standings with Caldari Navy! This means I have access to many a locator agent. You're first meight. I'll see you soon.

Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8
Diomedes Gambito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#422 - 2012-05-09 10:14:57 UTC
Eryn Velasquez wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Oxandrolone wrote:

eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec.

I agree man, I think we should ban the griefers from the game as a consequence.


I also agree, but banning? Send them to a SP-extracting facility. A criminal activity should have consequences, that hurt.

Give it a cooldown timer, so if someone ganks the first time on a day, the highest skill he has trained will be taken. If he does the second gank on the same day, the next skill goes to trash.


You all miss the point of this game design, no one ever said that hi-sec is "safe", hi-sec has different rules applied to it.
Killing others people space ships is what this game is about, degrading pirates skills will not turn hi-sec into ponies and rainbows haven, as pirates will adapt to the new mechanics and still extract silly miners tears.

Hi sec not broken, its just people that don't want to adapt or change their ways of game style.
Mining in a shiney ship at 0.5 sec system just made it easier to kill him, instead of lowering his isk/time ratio and mining in a proper tanked vessel OP ignored the Hulkageddon and now he cries for a hug that the world is not fair.
Guess what the world is unfair, adapt to it.
RealaiX
Dont be a drone
#423 - 2012-05-09 10:20:21 UTC
Syndic Thrass wrote:
RealaiX wrote:
[quote=Snow Axe][quote=RealaiX]Stupid bullshit


Dear miners bitching in this thread,
I recently realized that Syndic has almots 7.0 standings with Caldari Navy! This means I have access to many a locator agent. You're first meight. I'll see you soon.


omg im so scared now Cry will you come alone at least?

good luck ! hope ull find me in a wh ^^
Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
#424 - 2012-05-09 10:21:12 UTC
Hulkageddon is a fact of life which I accept as a miner in this large sandbox called Eve.

What I do expect however is just like in RL is the fact that I should be able to go about my normal business without being mugged especially if I am in High sec. I recognise the threat as always being there but do expect Concord to take more appropriate action rather than just destroy the offenders ship. i.e. make the punishment fit the crime by applying further sanctions just like in RL life the justice systems would do.

Proposals would be Concord forces the ganker to recompensate the victim in full for all costs of ship and fittings including any implants lost in the process at current market prices. Taken directly for the gankers wallet.

If the ganker is not able to do a refund in full then Concord reimburse the victim in full and then prevent the ganker from any further PVP until they have been reimbursed. This would force the ganker into a life of mining.


As a miner I do take the necessary steps accordingly to protect my investment and do not mine AFK.

I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#425 - 2012-05-09 10:28:36 UTC
Eryn Velasquez wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Oxandrolone wrote:

eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec.

I agree man, I think we should ban the griefers from the game as a consequence.


I also agree, but banning? Send them to a SP-extracting facility. A criminal activity should have consequences, that hurt.

Give it a cooldown timer, so if someone ganks the first time on a day, the highest skill he has trained will be taken. If he does the second gank on the same day, the next skill goes to trash.


Yes, take away gametime that someone paid for because they played the game within the rules.

Wait, whaaat?

Just because it is "illegal" in a RP sense in game, doesn't mean someone should have SP deducted from their account. That is pretty much full on ******.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#426 - 2012-05-09 10:33:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Anke Eyrou wrote:
What I do expect however is just like in RL is the fact that I should be able to go about my normal business without being mugged especially if I am in High sec

Because in real life mugging can't happen because it is against the law, right? OK.
Quote:
i.e. make the punishment fit the crime by applying further sanctions just like in RL life the justice systems would do

I would support this fully .. but whilst we're casting foolish real world correlations onto Eve, lets also make it a realistic rate of conviction .. which would probably mean 90+% of CONCORD-able actions go completely unpunished.

I could probably go with that.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Eryn Velasquez
#427 - 2012-05-09 10:47:10 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Eryn Velasquez wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Oxandrolone wrote:

eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec.

I agree man, I think we should ban the griefers from the game as a consequence.


I also agree, but banning? Send them to a SP-extracting facility. A criminal activity should have consequences, that hurt.

Give it a cooldown timer, so if someone ganks the first time on a day, the highest skill he has trained will be taken. If he does the second gank on the same day, the next skill goes to trash.


Yes, take away gametime that someone paid for because they played the game within the rules.

Wait, whaaat?

Just because it is "illegal" in a RP sense in game, doesn't mean someone should have SP deducted from their account. That is pretty much full on ******.


So why do you loose SP if you die in a T3-Cruiser?

_“A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.” ― Jean-Jacques Rousseau _
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#428 - 2012-05-09 11:22:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulousli Obvious
Eryn Velasquez wrote:


So why do you loose SP if you die in a T3-Cruiser?



Ask CCP, that was their idea not the players. Roll

Besides, the loss is only one Level of one SubSystem and they are Rank 1, so at WORST it's a 3 1/2 day train back up to Lvl 5. And they STILL throw fits about this. Ridiculous tears in fact.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Eryn Velasquez
#429 - 2012-05-09 11:45:50 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Eryn Velasquez wrote:


So why do you loose SP if you die in a T3-Cruiser?



Ask CCP, that was their idea not the players. Roll

Besides, the loss is only one Level of one SubSystem and they are Rank 1, so at WORST it's a 3 1/2 day train back up to Lvl 5. And they STILL throw fits about this. Ridiculous tears in fact.


Would be the same ridiculous tears if a ganker looses 1 skill when committing a crime in highsec. Risc and reward, you know.

_“A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.” ― Jean-Jacques Rousseau _
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#430 - 2012-05-09 11:53:31 UTC
Eryn Velasquez wrote:


Would be the same ridiculous tears if a ganker looses 1 skill when committing a crime in highsec. Risc and reward, you know.



Sounds fair. And at RANDOM. Say, Battleships V goes bye-bye Twisted

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#431 - 2012-05-09 11:58:25 UTC
Anke Eyrou wrote:
Hulkageddon is a fact of life which I accept as a miner in this large sandbox called Eve.

What I do expect however is just like in RL is the fact that I should be able to go about my normal business without being mugged especially if I am in High sec.


OMG,

First: you really shouldnt compare a game to RL.

Second: there is nothing to stop someone mugging you in RL. If you are walking down the street anyone could turn around and punch you in the face.... Anyone!
Then you would call the police, then they would show up sometime later, take a description and maybe go looking for the guy.
and Maybe they would catch and punnish him.

At least in Eve Concord always punish the ganker.


Seriously, people need to HTFU in game rather than crying on the forums.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#432 - 2012-05-09 12:09:26 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Eryn Velasquez wrote:


Would be the same ridiculous tears if a ganker looses 1 skill when committing a crime in highsec. Risc and reward, you know.



Sounds fair. And at RANDOM. Say, Battleships V goes bye-bye Twisted


ITT carebears sperge about how awesome it would be if CCP would just base game design on their sad little revenge fantasies.

The worst part is that it never even crosses their mind to take revenge themselves. Tells you what type of people they are, I suppose.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#433 - 2012-05-09 12:34:15 UTC
Syndic Thrass wrote:
RealaiX wrote:
[quote=Snow Axe][quote=RealaiX]Stupid bullshit


Dear miners bitching in this thread,
I recently realized that Syndic has almots 7.0 standings with Caldari Navy! This means I have access to many a locator agent. You're first meight. I'll see you soon.


Oh my freakin' god. really ? lolololololololololololololol Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#434 - 2012-05-09 12:35:01 UTC
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:

ITT carebears sperge about how awesome it would be if CCP would just base game design on their sad little revenge fantasies.

The worst part is that it never even crosses their mind to take revenge themselves. Tells you what type of people they are, I suppose.



You sound like your brain just formed a few hours ago tbh.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#435 - 2012-05-09 12:36:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Jint Hikaru wrote:


At least in Eve Concord always punish the ganker.


Seriously, people need to HTFU in game rather than crying on the forums.



The louder crying actually comes from those who want to ban or evade Concord. Just google any of the threads about the Boomerang Exploit and enjoy the massive tear-flowage. (And give Herr Wilkus a big wet sloppy kiss from me while you are there reading).

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#436 - 2012-05-09 12:39:03 UTC
Eryn Velasquez wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Eryn Velasquez wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Oxandrolone wrote:

eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec.

I agree man, I think we should ban the griefers from the game as a consequence.


I also agree, but banning? Send them to a SP-extracting facility. A criminal activity should have consequences, that hurt.

Give it a cooldown timer, so if someone ganks the first time on a day, the highest skill he has trained will be taken. If he does the second gank on the same day, the next skill goes to trash.


Yes, take away gametime that someone paid for because they played the game within the rules.

Wait, whaaat?

Just because it is "illegal" in a RP sense in game, doesn't mean someone should have SP deducted from their account. That is pretty much full on ******.


So why do you loose SP if you die in a T3-Cruiser?


It's a mechanic particular to that exact ship and has no over-arching bearing on the entire game ecosphere.

What you are suggesting, is CCP steps into a sandbox, decides for the players what is right and wrong and imposes unilateral sanctions that affect the base metric to which people subscribe to the game. Effectiely, you are using a mechanic which "steps out" of the character and applies penalties to the players account and wallet.

Remember, they broke NO RULES when they ganked.

There are already in-game sanctions in place that don't break the sandbox, such as:

- Heavy security status penalties. These are set to get worse.
- You will literally be banned from the game entirely if you try to circumvent the above.
- The victim can freely fire on the ganker anytime, anyplace, for a month.
- The loss of the gankers ship is absolute, the loss of the victims is not
- No insurance on lost gank boats

But no ... you need MORE. You need MORE because checking DScan and leaving the belt when gankers are heading your way is just unacceptable to you.

You literally chose to stand in front of a moving train - and you expect something else to come in and save you because the mere idea you should be the person to say "hey, lets step left a moment" is just too much to ask, apparently.

The only thing, and I mean the ONLY thing, that can keep those players safe is the inability to fire on neutrals in highsec, since absolutely any protection they can give themselves is too much to ask. Everything else is just an endless stream of ignorant tears.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#437 - 2012-05-09 12:46:38 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
It's a mechanic particular to that exact ship and has no over-arching bearing on the entire game ecosphere.

What you are suggesting....................(snip).



Irrelevant. In total.

The skill losses towards the T3 Cruiser are not punative towards a high sec violation.

One can lose the skill just for losing a ship to an NPC rat.

Next.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#438 - 2012-05-09 12:48:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Khanh'rhh wrote:
The loss of the gankers ship is absolute, the loss of the victims is not



Just ask the 3 week old noob mining in an Osprey about that.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#439 - 2012-05-09 13:43:11 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
It's a mechanic particular to that exact ship and has no over-arching bearing on the entire game ecosphere.

What you are suggesting....................(snip).



Irrelevant. In total.

Please try to explain why so I can laugh heartily. Alas, my argument can't be brushed aside in two words.
Quote:
Just ask the 3 week old noob mining in an Osprey about that

Why? Why is his opinion on over-arching game mechanics more relevant than someone who has played the game longer?

Your silly strawman shows a lot about your bias, and makes no substantial point.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#440 - 2012-05-09 14:05:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulousli Obvious
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Please try to explain why so I can laugh heartily. Alas, my argument can't be brushed aside in two words.


He did:

"The skill losses towards the T3 Cruiser are not punative towards a high sec violation.

One can lose the skill just for losing a ship to an NPC rat."

In a lot more than 2 words.

And 'fi" on your corp name.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900