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Hulkageddon made me quit

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#401 - 2012-05-08 14:00:43 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:
he is right about this.

its not about pilot skill or anything like that a 3mil ship shouldnt be able to kill a 300mil ship just because.... especially in highsec with no cost.

-10 alts in thrashers dont suffer because they just have an orca launch a ship for them, the sec penalty is irelivent.]

eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec.

I agree man, I think we should ban the griefers from the game as a consequence.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#402 - 2012-05-08 14:10:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
I'm pretty sure the consequences of ganking miners are the reason why I'm not constantly ganking miners. So it's kind of strange to say that consequences don't exist when they very obviously do.
Moroccan Tourist
Blood Raider Cleaning Crew
#403 - 2012-05-08 15:22:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Moroccan Tourist
how about not letting -10 jump into high sec ?? :troll:

and always get shot by sentries even in low sec !

and making them killable by everyone !

how about jailing the aggressor for 15 days instead of 15 mins Big smile
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#404 - 2012-05-08 15:34:59 UTC
300mil is nothing. If you understood this game you would know this.

If you're flying a hulk in hi-sec and mining tritanium then you are entirely missing the point of eve. Try join a corp in null-sec and make that kind of money in a few hours on real minerals that hulks where designed to mine.
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#405 - 2012-05-08 15:45:10 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull.

It's called internet space terrorism. Fly with some support.

http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/05/hulkageddon-v-internet-space-terrorism.html

Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve.

As long as you're happy with a heavier tank, but lower yield and cargo ... then fine ... trade-offs, correct? But the impression I get from the super-carebears is that they want a super-heavy tank, the same yield and the same cargo space.

The hulk itself is fine, but no idustrial ships with tanks exist. The hulk is like tier 3 BC, high yield , but no tank, mining needs a high tank lowyield ship built FOR MINERS, a BS can do it but it isn't in the miners skill plan.
Snot Shot
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#406 - 2012-05-08 15:51:30 UTC
Let’s just say both sides are correct. CCP looks at how many people it affects to determine if an issue needs a tweak and how many tweaks it would take to balance according to today’s game play. Sure they could up the tank on mining barges, allow Concord to shoot pods that have sec issues in high sec systems, or any other quick fix, but at the end of the day the **** storm of tears that would come from goonies don’t make the attempt worth it right now.

Let goonies burn themselves out on shooting barges in Empire. Wait for the Hulkegeddon hype to fade away for a few months……………..then slide in a few tweaks that make it more difficult the next time.

CCP can’t keep running around putting out fires that players start. Sometimes they need to let the fire go and burn everything down before they can rebuild. This is the “payoff” for goonies bluing and NIP’ing there way to the doorstep of Empire. Let them shoot and take everything they want from the little guys of EVE because this is what was done to them when they first tried to enter……… 0.0 years ago...Roll
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Diomedes Gambito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#407 - 2012-05-08 15:53:00 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.



I stopped following the thread at 5th page.
Emo-rage-quit ? then just quit no need to open a thread about it, it is as same as jita "I quit scams..."
You obviously failed at learning EVE mechanics, CCP rules and many other out there aspects of EVE and now crying for a hug.

As many said, the warning was out there that HG is coming, but even without it ganking in EVE was always there and in your case there was even team effort (3 pilots co-operated to kill your Hulk), if you look for fair gank isk ratio loss mine in an ibis.
You took out a 300 mil ship out to a .5 system with HG running across Eden and thought you'll make ISK untouchable?
You were wrong, there is no IDDQD god mode cheat (I'll mine in Hulk) in EVE and probably will never be implemented by CCP .

If you chose EVE for your amusement to spend $ to see lasers pop pixels, then EVE was wrong investment.
No idea why you opened this thread for at all.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#408 - 2012-05-08 16:39:10 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.



hulkageddon made me yawn....

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#409 - 2012-05-08 16:40:58 UTC
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull.

It's called internet space terrorism. Fly with some support.

http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/05/hulkageddon-v-internet-space-terrorism.html

Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve.

As long as you're happy with a heavier tank, but lower yield and cargo ... then fine ... trade-offs, correct? But the impression I get from the super-carebears is that they want a super-heavy tank, the same yield and the same cargo space.

The hulk itself is fine, but no idustrial ships with tanks exist. The hulk is like tier 3 BC, high yield , but no tank, mining needs a high tank lowyield ship built FOR MINERS, a BS can do it but it isn't in the miners skill plan.



good arguement for upping the base armor or shield amount and leaving the slots alone.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Pillage DeLoot
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#410 - 2012-05-08 16:59:13 UTC
Diomedes Gambito wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.



I stopped following the thread at 5th page.
Emo-rage-quit ? then just quit no need to open a thread about it, it is as same as jita "I quit scams..."
You obviously failed at learning EVE mechanics, CCP rules and many other out there aspects of EVE and now crying for a hug.

As many said, the warning was out there that HG is coming, but even without it ganking in EVE was always there and in your case there was even team effort (3 pilots co-operated to kill your Hulk), if you look for fair gank isk ratio loss mine in an ibis.
You took out a 300 mil ship out to a .5 system with HG running across Eden and thought you'll make ISK untouchable?
You were wrong, there is no IDDQD god mode cheat (I'll mine in Hulk) in EVE and probably will never be implemented by CCP .

If you chose EVE for your amusement to spend $ to see lasers pop pixels, then EVE was wrong investment.
No idea why you opened this thread for at all.


Always makes me remember this videoPirate
AzulOso
Lia's Lavender Corp.
#411 - 2012-05-08 17:54:02 UTC
Solution is rather simple. Dock your vessels and let this "Mighty" storm of brave souls and courageous captains pass. I love mining and find this event tiresome, but it shall pass.
evil art
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#412 - 2012-05-08 19:23:14 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


are you trolling? :)
Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#413 - 2012-05-08 19:37:44 UTC
This event is very important and is giving new players very exciting opportunities.

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#414 - 2012-05-08 20:17:20 UTC
Ristlin Wakefield wrote:
This event is very important and is giving new players very exciting opportunities.

It's true. T2 strip miners sell for 7-8 million and even the T1 strip miners sell for a few million each. A new player can easily wait for a hulk to be ganked, loot the wreck and salvage it for easy money.
Kaavod
OM NOM NOM Mining Co
#415 - 2012-05-08 20:21:06 UTC
As a miner i say this: thank you for leaving the belts to people who actually keep an eye on current events.
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#416 - 2012-05-08 21:53:18 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
If you were a victim of a hisec gank, what steps did you take to avoid that gank?

As a miner and industrialist for over 3 years now, and still owning my first Hulk, I have to ask: How the heck do you get ganked in hisec? Because the only ways I know of require you to:

1. Be AFK, so begging to be ganked.
2. Be ignorant of all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked.
3. Be too lazy to follow all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked.
4. Have recruited a ganker into your corp without checking (also see #2 and #3 above).

What am I missing?

I fully believe that everything good or bad that happens to you in EVE is because of your own actions or inaction. When I lose a ship, I know it was because I screwed-up, or knowingly took an exceptional risk, so there is nobody to blame but myself.

Well there are some cases when a system can be pretty barren, suddenly a thrasher warps incredibly close to you, turns on the afterburners, gets in range, fires unrelentingly, and by the time you are fully aligned, poof. Where did your barge go?

That's never happened to me, but I've witnessed it.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#417 - 2012-05-08 22:29:08 UTC
Kaavod wrote:
As a miner i say this: thank you for leaving the belts to people who actually keep an eye on current events.


not empty quotin'
Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen
#418 - 2012-05-08 22:42:44 UTC
I just woke up from a stupidity induced coma, but before I did this, this thread only had a couple of pages. Did anything important transpire here while I was out? Or is my brain going to shut down from this thread again?

S H I T P O S T I N G
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#419 - 2012-05-09 01:02:17 UTC
Pffffffffffffffffffffff................ I'll better go mining................
Eryn Velasquez
#420 - 2012-05-09 06:52:54 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Oxandrolone wrote:

eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec.

I agree man, I think we should ban the griefers from the game as a consequence.


I also agree, but banning? Send them to a SP-extracting facility. A criminal activity should have consequences, that hurt.

Give it a cooldown timer, so if someone ganks the first time on a day, the highest skill he has trained will be taken. If he does the second gank on the same day, the next skill goes to trash.

_“A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.” ― Jean-Jacques Rousseau _