Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No man, other than improving the HUD you haven't seemed to grasp any of the ideas that I'm suggesting, if you "can't see" the specific changes I talked about for propulsion I will copy and paste here for you to read. I understand there's a lot in this thread, but I was specific in several of my posts so you just need to be more thorough and not skim through as I'm assuming you must have done.

Here is the post that detailed what I meant by "basic gameplay mechanics" and "propulsion mechanics"



As for your last paragraph I really don't know where you got those ideas. I didn't say anything about "systems representing a vacuum" and I certainly don't think wrecks should float away.

I also didn't say anything about joystick or controller movement, but rather a simple hotkey to replace the current "double-click to fly" method of manual direction control. This hotkey would simulate the action of double clicking in the center of your ship and therefore fly in whatever direction your camera is pointing, allowing you to spin your camera, push a single button, and fly in any direction you choose.

I don't blame you for not reading the entire thread, and I'm actually glad you're making me repeat myself, as it gives me an excuse to bump my thread without breaking the rules and spamming.

Ugh, your propulsion idea is terrible.

There are at least three systems nearby to me that you can get to a planet that is outside D-scan range of most of the rest of the system (so 14.5+ AU).

1 AU = 150m km
Fastest ships go about what ... 10k m/sec?

150m km = 1,5 trillion meters.
1,5t meters @ 10k/sec = 15m seconds
15m seconds = 4166.66 hours = 173 days.

so, ~6 months to get ONE AU.
In all, 7 years to get from whatever planet you're at to the next closest thing in the system. And that's with the fastest ships in the game...

See this is one area that I don't quite agree with Leto... or maybe I do not quite understand the entire premise so please feel free to fill in the blanks.

From what I can gather though - I envisage that your proposal would intend to increase the ability of the standard propulsion system to traverse between planets, moons, sun, stations etc. in one solar system. This would suggest that ships would have to move some AU's per second (or something in that ballpark). So, basically this would call for the removal of the current grid system as it would become redundant with such high ship velocities and in fact the solar system would now be the new grid so to speak.

Although I can see merit in taking your idea and down-sizing it somewhat to still fit within what most of us are used to (i.e. having the ability to generate random warp beacons in the solar system as long as they are off grid; removing Local intel and improving ship scan abilities; among others), I cannot agree with the proposal overall. I am also unsure of the technical reprecussions of having an actively populated and interactable solar system as a single grid available to all players inside it.

Please do not take it as short-sightedness or entrenchment but I like EvE gameplay the way it is. Is it perfect? No. Can it improve? Yes. Does your idea achieve it? Maybe.

I do like the discussion though - even though some people are detracting from the topic.

Space is not small, people
Its as big as the words of Douglas Adams describe it as

Yes, interesting concept.

How do you envisage would this affect say, the current PvP model? Ship manoeuvring, transversal velocities, signature radius, weapon ranges and so on? I am imagining this entire system would need to be re-designed to support combat with ships moving in AUs/ps as opposed to meters/ps and would probably now reflect something you would see more in a space RTS as opposed to the current model.

Object interaction such as running into planets, moons, stations, asteroids, nebula, anoms and so on would need to be considered and redesigned right? These objects would no longer be arbitrary points in space but would rather require to have their own set of properties with which a player can interact. How do you envisage an entire solar system, upon solar system, upon solar system of these complex objects of which there would be hundreds, with 10s, 100s and 1000s of players interacting with them all at once, on one single grid, would work in technical terms? Is it even possible?

Awesome responses guys

Katie I agree that the entire game's stats would need to be redesigned, and PVP would change, but I don't think it would as one poster suggested "completely kill PVP" if solar systems were opened up as single, real areas of space, which we could fly around manually.

I had stated earlier when someone asked if I was trying to make EVE a more reaction based game, that I'm actually intending quite the opposite... I imagine these changes would make EVE a slower paced more strategic game

I'm definitely no expert on server cluster mechanics, and how the current EVE system handles players, lag, etc... so I don't quite understand the limitations admittedly. So I would like if someone could explain to me, what would be the difference between separating each system into the "grids" that we have now, and making each solar system one single grid, with all players on it.

Is there chance this would even REDUCE server load?? Because instead of having to create a ton of separate 400km squared grids, the system would be one unit, albeit a big one, but my math-brain just sees that as numbers... what's the difference in technical terms and server lag amount between 10km and 10au

[quote]would probably now reflect something you would see more in a space RTS as opposed to the current model.[/quote

This is exactly right, it would be MORE like a space RTS, but I think it would not turn into one. We could still limit the speeds and ranges so that the entire system isn't available in seconds (Mass Effect), and our ships would still remain the focal point of our interface, being that everything we can see is relative to our ships location/stats.

Hamilton you are at least right about the server load problems if anyone could warp to Jita from anywhere in the galaxy. Which is why I was proposing (LIKE Mass Effect this time) that ships use warp to travel to adjacent star systems in the same constellation, but not have the range to go anywhere in the galaxy. I think this would make space in EVE ssoooooo much more interesting to have systems that you must manually fly to, taking anywhere from several minutes to several hours, while systems with stargates would be the "hubs" so to speak of activity.

As for PVP and players finding each other, there would obviously need to be mechanics implemented or changed to facilitate this. I picture ship sensors being streamlined into the main interface, instead of opening up a window to do a directional scan, and seeing the results in a box and a list, the things your ships long range sensors can see would be displayed IN space as brackets just like they are now, when they are on the same grid. Each ships "grid" would be different than another, based on ship stats and player skills, mods and sensor upgrades.

So one person may have a little hunting frigate that has a view range of 40 some AU, where he can zoom out and see you across the system, when you have no idea he is there. Where as a combat cruiser may not have the view range built in, but has to "focus" his ships sensors in one direction (much like D-scan now) to see if anythings out there. At 360 degrees you may be able to see, say... everything surrounding the current planet you're at, maybe a few thousand KM in every direction, but the more you focus in a tighter angle, the further your sensors can pick up. I would personally like to see dynamics like, ships hiding behind planets where most normal ships can't detect, but some elite sensor ship may just be able to.

To close, Hamilton I absolutely agree that I would rather keep the single universe over these new changes, but I honestly believe we have the technology to re-build EVE and make it more of a real environment, instead of these tiny pockets of space and extremely limited ship abilities.

I hope so

Anyway I'd like to focus on other aspects of the game that seem outdated or could use a massive overhaul

Things such as "crafting" or building items in other games are always being improved, made more visceral and actually playable. Yet EVE just uses a basic materials then click and wait approach. I think even a LITTLE addition to this could go a long way, but a big one could attract a huge number of sim/puzzle players (e.g spore, foldit, pipe mania, etc..). The addition of foldit with fancy graphics would have the added effect of helping real science. My thought's are to include simple animations for build orders, to actual building game-play to speed them up

Any other area's that could fit into a re-visioning of EVE?

Did I really just read this ****?

Go back to runescape. Eve is not space-wow, nor is it space-runescape, we dont need idea men spamming the forums with unrealistic crap that adds nothing to the game.

Please stop bumping this lame ass thread.

Five pages of people telling you how **** your ideas are.