EVE General Discussion

…and what is the align time of that I5? The EHP? How scan-proof is it? How much does it drop when it gets blown up?

Oh, and the Orca can carry more than 40k m³ as well (up to 527.5k m³, actually, if you have a good mix, and before adding in such tricks as increasing the cargo space and using cans). The thing is, of course, that it's not a good idea to do so.

I highly doubt that that gank threshold for a freighter cargo is so low as 700m. For a start, you have that 50% (at best) drop rate. Then you have the 12 or 15 guys who want to actually turn a profit. And then you have the opportunity cost of shooting at a crappy cargo and spending 15 mins watching all the good stuff fly by. And then there are the ninja looters.

I'd say you were ok with 2bill, Much more if its low value high bulk stuff.

And if its compact high value stuff, you shouldn't use a freighter to move it...

For me the only reason Ive even tried suicide ganking is cuz I got ganked once myself. But yeah its getting BRUTAL even by my standards. Its not a big deal as theres a million and one ways around it and its about knowing the game and the player patterns within it thatll save your bacon the most

Yet given the information out there you can compile a list of targets a mile long, and not only using locator agents but soon you can simply just do it in your head. Beyond that its scan away and get lucky or use spies and intel to know your targets and gank that way

Wealth redistribution if you ask me

What I do wonder is what CCP will do with it in the future. The tornado and the talos are wicked gank ships and fun PvP boats to say the least and the dps increase of the destroyers makes catalysts and thrashers even more deadly solo or in packs and the speed at which either of these ships can be reach is incredibly fast. With the flood of incursion and other isk to keep gankers afloat ganking for profit and lolz to their hearts content even in high sec loot pinatas really dont stand much of a chance anymore

The fact that a corp looking to increase its isk efficiency can just suicide a jump freighter even empty or with minimal cargo or that no mission boat, incursion runner or hauler anywhere is safe from the threat of the gank is going to develop an interesting gaming environment and it already has. Perhaps this is the null designed plan to get more people out of high sec to the "safer" areas of null sec or even low sec to continue to make isk by simply making high sec MORE dangerous than the worst areas of null or low could ever be

The fact that any 30 day noob account in a catalyst can solo gank mackinaws till the cows come home macrominer or not or that hulkaggedon might as well be considered a year long event now as it never seems to start or end now that Mittanis Ice Interdictions have become economic warfare SOPs for the Goons


Theres literally no way around it for anyone as the application of enough DPS to the right resist holes will always spell W-R-E-C-K and the only need to overcome larger buffers or higher resists is to just ad M-O-A-R DPS. And what if an alliance like the Goons would take up positions on all the major trade routes, at all the major hubs, on all the major stations in a continuous "wolfpack" style blockade of high sec? Revolving 'nados and thrashers, catalysts and talos' destroying shipping in the tonnage of the infamous U-boat "Happy Times". Could such a thing bring trade to a grinding halt in high sec? If every hauler, full or empty was simply destroyed en masse

The finances are certainly there, the sheer numbers are there and the tools are certainly within the games scope. Incursions alone could finance such a struggle for months if not years without intervention. But is the will?...... Time will tell of such things. But the gank is here to stay and shall only grow bigger imo as it is always darkest before the break of day.

That would be fun to watch but would not last. Goons build only a fraction of the ships they lose.

The problem is that there are two different time frames.
1. Industrial job time which is an AFK activity.
2. Hauling time, which is an (semi-ATK) activity.

Somebody is going to need to haul minerals to the trade hub for the small industrialists. Since this is an atk activity they are going to want to make a certain, inflation adjusted, amount per trip.

Small industrialists want a percentage return for tying their isk in an industry job.

The problem is that industrialists set the inflation base for the game. Mineral prices will rise to reflect the premium on haulage. Because mineral prices rise, the price of goods rises to meet the profit expectations of the producers. Because prices of goods have risen the hauler will ask more for the next shipment of goods. Rinse and repeat for an inflationary spiral.

Don't like being cargo scanned at the undock?, 3 words for you, collateral+courier+contract. Red Frog or Push industries will quite happily take the risk of being scanned, it's part of the job.

It's very rare I set foot in Jita and when I do I tend to leave empty, or explode hilariously.

Though not in the last little while, I have over the years moved billions (up to abour 10bil) at a time in and out of Jita. The only time I got ganked was when I left some T2 BPC's in a shuttle by accident and AP'd to Jita and was sat on a gate for about 20 minutes. Suicide ganking is easily avoidable if you take simple and common sense precautions, if you don't you deserve to lose your ship and cargo.

I feel left out, I regularly haul to and from Jita 4-4... and haven't been locked, scanned and ganked. either on the gate or the 4-4 undock...

I must admit I either fly a tanked Orca with the most valuable stuff in the corp hanger (Which BTW I think should be scannable and droppable) or a Crane for small stuff, cloak off just using it for speed...

And I always come in from Sobaseki...
So either I'm lucky or someone is doing it wrong...

Chill out, bro.

I lost over 6b isk the other day to a suicide gank. Did I cry? Nope. I just dusted myself off, wished them luck in their next gank and got on with Eve. Do the same.

Or your carebear ass can stop being dependent on NPCs and pod gankers -5 and down? You can already do that.