Jita Park Speakers Corner

It's true, we can't resist taunting a raging sperg. Especially a self-quoting one. This is just too good.

Cry more tears about how you want to nerf democracy because people you don't like vote differently than you do.

did you seriously reach into your big bag of retorts and only come up with a wordy "i know you are but what am I"?

come on man put some effort into it

While I agree with you. It is not limited to Goons. People resort to attacking the person writing or saying something in the hopes that it will make that go away. They do not have the capacity to discuss it or refute it in a clear and coherent manner.

As per usual, they are desperate for attention and seeking an emotional response.

Goons will flood a thread and drown out other peoples' points of view if it in any way threatens them or their interests.

Null sec voting blocks.

The people we get behind are usually the social ones with a good sense of how to work in a team with others in the CSM, an understanding of problem solving and articulate enough to talk about it to CCP and other CSMs. As I'll mention later, we don't just vote for the most social sperg in the pool, we vote on who we want. I voted for Walter Stine, not Dovinian but since Dovi won he will get all my support and photoshopping power. So why is it weird that we get behind people we know and talk to instead of someone that we've never seen/talked to?

CCP developers and the CSM system.

Well, yes. Of course it is undemocratic, a game designed by vote is silly and terrible. It wastes an immense amount of time, talent and skill. If this game were designed by a vote I think we would probably see mini-dreadnoughts everywhere with smartbombing freighters -.- (Yes I exaggerate and jest)

Alliances with the ISK cushion; that can dedicate people to forums and favour trading in game instead of being distracted with the struggle to be viable.

I can pay £14 a month and skill be viable on the forums and I don't even need to play the actual game. Alliance leaders sometimes go months without even being inside the game, why would they need to? We have forums and other communication channels to work in tandem with, or in spite of, being in the game. Alliances with a huge amount of money would probably go more towards spy accounts or people who actually need to be in the game.

I don't think anyone has a budget in their alliance for "forum warriors"

Alliance or corporation leader are not necessarily good CSM material.

No, they aren't. Thankfully we can weed out the insane/terrible posters and vote ourselves for who we want to get behind. It's not like we go "LOLPICKMONTOLIO HE RUNS OUR ALLIANCE". I doubt the goons did either, Mittani is a good poster who knows the game and is well spoken enough to articulate his answers/solutions into meaningful ideas. If Montolio could do that as well I guess we would be getting behind him, rather then Dovinian (Beep beep).

Democracy has never been done as it is a practical impossibility just as most other governing systems .. hence the titles of "theories".

For it to work every voter would need knowledge/understanding of everything which is never going to happen, especially not in this day and age with science doing its thing. Most societies have opted for an approximation where representatives are elected based on their knowledge (or claim thereof) of whatever topic is closest to the voter.

Vote with you mind rather than your heart and it will be mostly OK(ish) .. in Eve terms, opt for a candidate that has the health of the game as a whole (or a large portion) as a priority rather than just his/her backyard.
Sadly even that will probably not do any good for us non-blocs as the backyard is filled with the bastard children of unholy unions twixt many of the current CSM and they all get a vote .. but as in real life .. YOU MUST VOTE OR FORFEIT THE RIGHT TO ***** AND MOAN AFTERWARDS!

P.S. I'm saying all these things knowing that you won't actually do them and I'll get to quote them back to you next year when you post the same tearful complaint about the unfairness of it all.

Why do they keep firing me from these cruise ship activity director jobs when I know the schedule better than anybody? Just because I stand there staring down at my shoes while I shuffle my feet and mumble at the passengers, jeez, it's like they expect some kind of social butterfly for this job. Unfair labor practices!!!

So it is not pretty watching the sausage of democracy being made but it produces a tastier meal than most of the alternatives when spiced liberally with some freedom and responsibility.

I agree in Eve we may not get the CSM we want but we do get the CSM we deserve. If the majority of Eve chooses apathy over participation then they have only themselves to blame if eventually they are herded by Concord after their 3rd week in Eve to a random null system to be 'sploded as part of the "end game".

Since this is the system in place we have only a few choices.

1. Apathy. Welcome our new evil overlords and smile while they dish it out.

2. Get involved, try and change the result from within the system. Hard work, maybe impossible as a result of the physics of cat herds, but some would say the best choice.

3. Change the system. Make your case to CCP! Organize some massive statue deaths in highly visible spaces. Drop your subscription in protest. Noble to be sure. Unlikely to succeed once again due to the physics of unaffiliated cats.

So I agree with the OPs frustration. But I'm choosing #2. Let me at those windmills! My inner optimist says sometimes carebears and disaffected masses can unite, even if it was behind the wrong spork wielding assassin wannabe. I hold out hope against all logic that the slumbering masses might wake briefly and accidentally vote for someone that would represent them on their way to the refrigerator for that late night piece of roe pie and quafe snack.

Well presented case OP, I just have to try and be more optimistic.

Issler

Thank you for posting. It drives me crazy when people use this to avoid looking at data rationally. Most misunderstood idiom.