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[June] Nullsec Asteroid Cluster and Excavator Drone changes

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Kist Shi
Miners Legion
Already Replaced.
#121 - 2017-06-01 21:58:16 UTC
Stvndog wrote:
Kist Shi wrote:
Stvndog wrote:
*cough Delve, This change isn't directed towards GSF at all, we are fair and balanced and don't play favorites. so basically don't find a way to profit in the game while CCP is looking for actual cash revenue, they need ppl to spend money on PLEX instead of using ISK. Am I wrong?



the plex on the market has to or had to be paid for by someone at some point so the revenue is the same is this not right ?



That is not right


so where do the plex on the market come from then ?????
Ghillie Troll Askold
Singularity Dynamics
#122 - 2017-06-01 22:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghillie Troll Askold
"Upcoming Feature and Change Feedback Center" what a joke. You don't care about feedback do you. You clearly didn't care the last time we told you Rorquals need to not be nerfed, and I doubt you'll listen this time. I don't know how many times it has to be said, but this is literally how so many games have died: by not listening to the community. Pushing changes that the vast majority of your playerbase disapproves of are how you lose subscribers. Bait-and-switch BS like we've seen with the Rorqual are what cause players to look elsewhere.

Do not push a change without considering the effects beforehand, and do not push changes that go against the community. That is how games die. I only hope you learn before it's too late.

Just revert the Rorqual changes already and get it over with instead of quietly trying to sweep under the rug the obvious fact that you saw an opportunity to create a surge in PLEX and extractor sales, and you took it, not caring about the ramifications of having to then basically render the mechanics created in the process useless.
Zishy Linaris
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#123 - 2017-06-01 22:00:54 UTC
Gaara's sniper wrote:
Zishy Linaris wrote:
Gaara's sniper wrote:
While we are at it, can you please fix the drone aggro mechanics when you industrial core on rorqual? i wanted to afk rat from the start it's not possible with the bug making npcs shoot your drones after 5min regardless of what you do.
K thx bai


you expect these people to fix bugs? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


I WANT TO BELIEVE


believe it my friend
Johann Hemphill
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#124 - 2017-06-01 22:02:35 UTC
Fozzie, you're terrible. I opened this post expecting to see that you were buffing the Rorq to have faster drones, because you'd overcompensated after the last several rounds of nerfs. Instead you just repeated more of the same. Why don't you save some time and tell us: what is the maximum amount per day we should be permitted to mine?
Jim Bravura Melkan
Zonk Squad
Goonswarm Federation
#125 - 2017-06-01 22:04:16 UTC
OHHHHH, this is bad, this change will certain ruin all game integrity. Major playes depend on mining ops and increasing spawn time of mining belts anomalies,...... damn!!!!!

CCP DEVs need to "rethink" about this.

If they make this change go forward, they will lose more people and certantly the game will die. Shocked
Olmeca Gold
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#126 - 2017-06-01 22:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Olmeca Gold
I like how the entire 'Eve establishment' flames CCP when they are trying to nerf the only way to earn tens of billions of ISK per hour as one person by semi afk multiboxing tens of Rorquals at the same time. This change is an attempt to reestablish everyone else's interests against 50 richest miners in a handful of richest alliances. Don't mind the flames CCP.

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Perkone
Caldari State
#127 - 2017-06-01 22:06:30 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
I'm quite happy with the changes, less work done by rorquals, and more as it should be by the actual mining ships.


Sorry, what?

What the hell do you think a rorqual is?

It is a pure mining vessel
Lil Probist
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2017-06-01 22:07:17 UTC
So these changes will now not only over-nerf the Rorqual, but really hurt the new players that some of these newbie oriented null groups invite in to come out to 0.0 and experience Eve. Way to go to try to keep players invested in the game by showing how little you really know about your own game. Doesn't matter what alliance/group, this change negatively will affect so many people and has so little thought it. 5 hour respawn time ? What is next, buy something through the store to get extra mining respawns ? If so it wouldn't surprise me. If your intent is to run players off, keep up the good work, because that is what this and other such actions will achieve. Monaclegate wasn't that long ago, and you still never learned your lesson from that mess, nor recovered from the player loss either.
Sharnhorst von Deathwish
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
#129 - 2017-06-01 22:15:15 UTC
Table" Guys.. guys.. guys... isk is flowing too freely into the game. How can we get people to make less money, so they need to buy more of our newly broken down mobile game style PLEX?

Fozzie "We could nerf mining income again"

Table "Nah, that won't fly. We've done that like 5 times in the last year."

Fozzie "We could nerf mining income again and after they complain, nerf ratting income - so they argue"

Table "I like it, just don't touch the 8b in 10 minute incursions - because our alts use those"

Fozzie "K, let's do it"
Gleb Koskov
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2017-06-01 22:21:32 UTC
If ore runs out in a system just jump to the next?
Urist Mcflyship
Backwater Redux
Tactical Narcotics Team
#131 - 2017-06-01 22:24:57 UTC
Gleb Koskov wrote:
If ore runs out in a system just jump to the next?



That's the issue at hand here. In nullsec you have to pay for system upgrades to get the best quality out of your system, you also have to mine ****** ore to build up ADMs to install such upgrades. Oh and don't forget you need to own the system, and keep it safe.

In short, it's a nerf to everybody but GSF at this point. We'll just go system to system hoovering up ore in a wider area, while dudes in Catch and such will suffer. Oh and renters, they're gonna get railed by this change.
SaRAhi RA
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#132 - 2017-06-01 22:27:20 UTC
Sharnhorst von Deathwish wrote:
Table" Guys.. guys.. guys... isk is flowing too freely into the game. How can we get people to make less money, so they need to buy more of our newly broken down mobile game style PLEX?

Fozzie "We could nerf mining income again"

Table "Nah, that won't fly. We've done that like 5 times in the last year."

Fozzie "We could nerf mining income again and after they complain, nerf ratting income - so they argue"

Table "I like it, just don't touch the 8b in 10 minute incursions - because our alts use those"

Fozzie "K, let's do it"



All I am just as mad as the next person, this personally kills my income. But stop attacking devs for real...stay classy even in anger.
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#133 - 2017-06-01 22:32:48 UTC
Step one: Ruin the Rorqual for small and medium groups while making it absurdly overpowered for huge groups (November patch)

Steps two to five: Ruin the Rorqual for huge groups as well

Somehow I fail to see the point in all of this.

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Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#134 - 2017-06-01 22:36:23 UTC
Seriously. The Rorq and Orca is and was always supposed to be booster, not solo miners. The fact that it was even made possible and valid was/is a mistake.

Its equivalent to asking for a FAX/LOGI that also does massive DPS.

Just because the GM by mistake gave everyone +5 vorpal blades, does not mean its a mistake when he "takes them back/destroys them"

and ofc Delve/Goons will still be superior in manhours and output capacity, but this is a good step to spread out activity and make space matter more in width.

This is not a Goon Nerf.. its an ecosystem nerf.. the resource availability is designed to support a 250k players, resulting in nothing really being "worth anything"..

And just like removing blue loot would mean WH resources would be more valuable, same is true for the resulting ORE mined..

The small problem ofc is the stockpiles as pointed out in the thread already, and it would be worth considering where all that mineral is supposed to go, to make the "balance" actually work properly.

Look at the big picture.. This might not really be the end of the world, but a first stumbling move in a direction that will make the game fun again.
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#135 - 2017-06-01 23:13:53 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
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XveNos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2017-06-01 23:17:01 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
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You mean "Were"?

ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#137 - 2017-06-01 23:18:48 UTC
XveNos wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:
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You mean "Were"?



Fixed it thanks.

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Inquisitor Lucious
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#138 - 2017-06-01 23:20:03 UTC
not sure if you will get nuked for section 4. or section 31.
Ramagar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2017-06-01 23:20:44 UTC
"The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted."

I don't know where you learned your command of the English language or truly understated the impact here.

but what you really should have stated instead of trying to sugar coat the nerf is.

"Every nullsec miner will be negatively impacted."

What poison pill are you going to try and convince us is a candy next.

Zishy Linaris
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#140 - 2017-06-01 23:23:15 UTC
Ramagar wrote:
"The vast majority of nullsec miners will not be negatively impacted."

I don't know where you learned your command of the English language or truly understated the impact here.

but what you really should have stated instead of trying to sugar coat the nerf is.

"Every nullsec miner will be negatively impacted."

What poison pill are you going to try and convince us is a candy next.




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