EVE General Discussion

Not only that, but if they are a medical professional, and in particular in the mental health field, such posts would be a gross ethical violation. Diagnosing people from afar has been considered unethical for decades. Doing so through the filter of an online video game would be about as bad as it can get in terms of that kind of thing, IMO.

Welcome to real life. Most people do not care about other people's feelings. You interact and buy stuff from people all over the world without a seconds thought about them. This notion that we should stop and care about people's feelings for whom we don't even know would not work....mainly because most of them are totally anonymous.

And frankly you are again, talking out of your ass. Yes, yes, I know you ran a Star Trek MUSH or MUD or whatever. BTW, as an aside, you and your Star Trek imagery is leading me to begin to hate Star Trek. But LS pirates are usually located on the trade lanes that run between trade hubs and have LS systems, though not always. For example, the Rancer pirates I was hanging out with camped Rancer because people who wanted a short route from Hek to Jita would come through Rancer. They collected ALOT of loot. I mean ALOT. And some of that loot they are still using to make ISK today. Did they shoot anything coming through the gates (if they could)? Absolutely.

So here they are camping a gate, shooting people and collecting the loot. In a competitive game that is completely reasonable. The unreasonable ones are you, Hakawai, and Zoubidah who deem reasonable play as unreasonable. Was the guy who dropped 3 carrier BPOs, and BPOs for all the components upset? I bet he was, but guess what...he was imprudent. His laziness took him through Rancer...where he died and dropped all that good stuff. If he had taken the longer safer route, he'd be fine.

Nobody involved is a "sociopath" either clinically or you in your batshit crazy definition. Saying, I want to be pirate in a game where that is an actual thing you can do...does not make one an *******, which is what you are describing.

Look everyone Zoubidah is a mind reader.

They make a lot of isk because they exploit the tacit trust most gamers have when they play an online game: that other people are here to play with or against you to have fun together ingame for ingame means, and are not after some immersion-breaking cheesy minmaxing of clunky mechanics in a plainly RL-based grief-loving zero sum game where fun vampires ruin people's stuff ingame to revel in their RL reactions.

Awoxing, reverse safari, exploiting people's willingness to help, etc... all taking advantage of the tacit trust between players




I wonder what a psychologist would say about that

Sounds like sociopathy to me but hey I'm not a professional!

Don't worry tho this game is a support group for people like you ^^

While you're entitled to your opinion, it doesn't make you right.

My opinion is that what you just posted is a result of your apparent inability to take into account the norms of the environment that you have chosen to immerse yourself in. In short I think that you're wrong about the motivations of other players.

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Bullshit, now you are a liar.

A guy carrying carrier BPOs and BPOs for the components was not some fresh faced noob who foolishly closed the warning pop-up but a long time player who knows the nature of the game...or the world's biggest idiot.

Dude..WITF?

You said "She was right." She was not saing, "Statistically speaking some subset of gate campers are somewhere on the sociopath spectrum." Which while true, it probably also true of those who don't camp gates.

Are some Eve players somewhere on the sociopath spectrum? Probably, I've read some of those articles myself. Heck one article was about one researcher who was shocked to find he himself fell on the spectrum.

And yeah, maybe those sociopath spectrum players are disproportionately found in gate campers. Problem is you can't go in reverse, you can't go backwards and say, most of those gate campers are thus on the sociopath spectrum.

It is stupid logic that suggests one has failed rudimentary statistics and logic. Let me give you example:

Suppose 10% of the population has trait this sociopathy spectrum issue. Now, we have a subset of the population that camps gates. Suppose that it is 5,000 players. And further suppose that the people with sociopathy spectrum traits are twice as like to camp gates as engage in other activities in game. How many of our 5,000 gate campers have sociopathy spectrum traits? About 20%. The other 80% don't.

Now, if you still think Zoubidah is "right" you are a douche bag. Because 80% are not people with sociopathy spectrum traits. And in fact, the activities of that 20% who do have sociopathic spectrum traits might look very much like the activities of the other 80% of gate campers. They are doing not only for the loot, but because it tickles their sociopathic traits.

So again, you cannot look actions and then divine intent...or at least it is very muddy water.

She is 'right' at the point I delineated, in my opinion. She said stuff after that. You'll notice I didn't defend those. We can say that yes, a certain percentage of the playerbase are sociopaths. But we CANNOT isolate an individual, and say, He's one of them!

His actions, in game, making isk from piracy, is, behaviorally indistinquishable from a sociopath. All that differentiates these two is their underlying motive. And, as humans, we cannot, and have no right to 'divine' that, or make the attempt. Now if he opens his mouth and flat out admits it, bragging and such, then that's different. He outed himself, yes?

I defended her claim that a lot of them are sociopathic. I think a lot of the players that play the markets are, actually, but that's neither here nor there.

You can't use a general idea and move to a specific, in the context of a game, no. In that you are 100% correct.

I fail to see how my 'rule breaking' has anything to do with the comparative value I place on the hard sciences contrasted to the pseudo-sciences... I'm also pretty forgiving about rules being broken, when it comes to insulting me. I've only used the prior rule-breaking as an excuse to break others, myself. It's a contrivance, of course, but not an unreasonable one.

If someone can make sexually explicit comments to me or about me, and everyone is fine with it, why, then I figure I have an excuse to return the favor. I'm also not as much a 'douche' as Teckos claims, and while my ideas are not always contemporary, and I tend to switch topics and ramble on, that's just how I am. I was pretty forgiving, in most instances, wouldn't you say? The only one I've really hit all that hard is Cade, and I don't even actually resort to insults, then.

Besides, isn't CCP creating new forums, where they said these rules would be somewhat more lax? That kinda indicates that they are a bit tired of playing PC-Cop.

Have I, honestly, said anything that, in the real world, you'd be compelled to hit me in the face for?

You'll have to forgive my ignorance, then, but I was under the impression that applied psychology was known as psychiatry?

Even at its core, psychology is an ethereal affair, basing itself nearly entirely on a hard science, statistics. It makes 'guesses,' and then tries to see if they are right, by running experiments. Who is to say, though, that they actually have anything right?

In my opinion, well, and this is shared by a lot of Th.D's, as well, pschology fails at a root level with the assumption that man is inherently good, and only lacks education and nurturing. If he got both of those, in perfect measure, every man would be good.

Well, there have been a lot of cases where people were provided with as near perfect education and environment that man could provide him, and turned out very, very bad. Psychology rushes to excuse themselves while we sit and nod. Yup. Evil to the core. The real fact is that he abused everything he was given, and because he never had a hard time, he never learned to appreciate anything. Not being able to appreciate anything, he felt it was his absolute right to do whatever he wanted.

At the core, theology and psychology are diametrically opposed, even though we do often arrive at the same place. I try to focus on when we arrive at the same place, but no, it's not a science.