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so this is there real future for new players? gate camp?

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av Utama
OFFICERS STARS
#1 - 2017-02-04 19:04:04 UTC
upgraded to Omega , was fun to learn exploration , but the future not looking good...

To lose all with no time to react to stupid camp again and again
3 second , that all , you get blown up

You can tell that it's going bad if , 1 sec after jump there is warp disrupt, only 1 sec

I don't like this "pvp" system , this is ugly and bad

Rage quit
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2017-02-04 19:05:54 UTC
av Utama wrote:
upgraded to Omega , was fun to learn exploration , but the future not looking good...

Once you leave high-sec there is an extremely short learning curve...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3 - 2017-02-04 19:16:42 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
av Utama wrote:
upgraded to Omega , was fun to learn exploration , but the future not looking good...

Once you leave high-sec there is an extremely short steep learning curve cliff...
FTFY

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Vanessa Celtis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2017-02-04 19:19:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanessa Celtis
av Utama wrote:
upgraded to Omega , was fun to learn exploration , but the future not looking good...

To lose all with no time to react to stupid camp again and again
3 second , that all , you get blown up

You can tell that it's going bad if , 1 sec after jump there is warp disrupt, only 1 sec

I don't like this "pvp" system , this is ugly and bad

Rage quit


Yep, this is what they do not tell you when you upgrade, and this is what is killing the game. Gate camps and suicide ganking machines are an exploit of the game. A glitch in the design left on purpose by CCP which prevent the game to grow.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#5 - 2017-02-04 19:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Just stay in high-sec and train-up. You can make upwards of 200m ISK an hour blitzing L4s and Burners. Zero risk. Plus it pisses the low-sec and null-sec players off to no extent...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

LouHodo
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#6 - 2017-02-04 19:33:45 UTC
av Utama wrote:
upgraded to Omega , was fun to learn exploration , but the future not looking good...

To lose all with no time to react to stupid camp again and again
3 second , that all , you get blown up

You can tell that it's going bad if , 1 sec after jump there is warp disrupt, only 1 sec

I don't like this "pvp" system , this is ugly and bad

Rage quit


Depending on what system you go to it can be VERY dangerous.

Here is some hints that I picked up over my last 3 weeks...

- ALWAYS CHECK LOCAL, keep it separate from your other communications chat tabs. So you can see who is in the system with you.

- When moving from system to system, check your planned route before hand to see how many pilots are in or have been in that area in the last 30min. You can do this in your map with the filters. VERY HANDY... will keep you from blundering into a gate camp.

- ANYWHERE outside of high sec is the wild west. Shoot first, or run, but dont think, you dont have time to think.


I go places in a T1 Probe I probably shouldnt go. I live and operate in low sec, 0.4 down to 0.1 systems. I will venture out into Null Sec every so often for a few expeditions. But I do it in a cloaking Probe, with nothing I cant afford to replace, I think that probe is at most 4mil... maybe 6. When I go out to Nullsec in that ship I go data site and relic site hunting. I can easily make 20-60mil in one of those and get out before anyone can get to me.

Lastly set up your tabs on the right with information you NEED. Get rid of all of the extra stuff, like asteroids and floating junk, only put PVE and PVP contacts on one tab, Nav waypoints on another (stations, gates, celestials, personal nav points).

Trust me, it is a lot better when you know how to escape or avoid the fight you dont want.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#7 - 2017-02-04 19:36:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
av Utama wrote:
upgraded to Omega , was fun to learn exploration , but the future not looking good...

To lose all with no time to react to stupid camp again and again
3 second , that all , you get blown up

You can tell that it's going bad if , 1 sec after jump there is warp disrupt, only 1 sec

I don't like this "pvp" system , this is ugly and bad

Rage quit


First of all avoid Tama like the plague, it is camped all the time. Your best best is to go in and out via WH's find one in hisec and off you go. Though once you get into 0.0 and WH you will find bubbles which will also annoy you a lot and of course people who camp sites for kills. This game is harsh and hard for the hunted and solo players, if you can deal with that and do well you will win Eve.

EDIT: If lowsec is what you want to do try less inhabited hisec to go into lowsec. (I thought to add this and after I edited Avaelica Kuershin made this point.)

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#8 - 2017-02-04 19:36:44 UTC
If one falls to a gate camp in one system, then avoiding that system in future might be wise.

There are safer ways of getting to low or null sec than through choke points such as Tama. They might just take a little longer.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2017-02-04 19:38:09 UTC
Looking at some of the other threads in here today that learning curve can catch you in highsec too.

There are strategies to avoid gate camps. Cloaking is one of them and now that you are omega you can use cloaks. If they don't have a bubble aligning to a warp point and activating your MWD and cloak at the same time, then before your mwd turns off deactivate your cloak and warp. Practice it a bunch of times in highsec to get used to it. You can also mwd+cloak to try and crash the gate.

even better would be to train up and use a ship with a covert ops cloak as you can warp cloaked.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#10 - 2017-02-04 19:38:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
even better would be to train up and use a ship with a covert ops cloak as you can warp cloaked.

Even better still is to just stay the heck out of low-sec and null-sec...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#11 - 2017-02-04 19:39:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Vanessa Celtis wrote:
Yep, this is what they do not tell you when you upgrade, and this is what is killing the game.
The gameplay that you claim is killing the game has been in the game since 2003, Eve is still not dead 14 years later.

The logical conclusion is that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Quote:
Gate camps and suicide ganking machines are an exploit of the game. A glitch in the design left on purpose by CCP which prevent the game to grow.
Not only an oxymoron but further confirmation that you're clueless and posting from a position of ignorance.

If gatecamps and suicide ganking were exploits they wouldn't be allowed, nor are they glitches. The current mechanics were specifically crafted to allow suicide ganking, and other shenanigans, to happen in highsec, and for gatecamps to happen everywhere, that was a deliberate design decision made by CCP.

Once upon a time there were some mad vikings who played Ultima Online, in much the same way that gatecampers and suicide gankers play Eve today. Those mad vikings made up the original team that produced Eve, the current CEO is one of them; that should tell you all that you need to know about the nature of the game that you're playing.

Eve is what it is, if you don't like it don't play it.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#12 - 2017-02-04 20:05:04 UTC
Vanessa Celtis wrote:
Yep, this is what they do not tell you when you upgrade, and this is what is killing the game. Gate camps and suicide ganking machines are an exploit of the game. A glitch in the design left on purpose by CCP which prevent the game to grow.

I believe that things like ganking and gate camps are so fundamental to eve that it could not exist without them.

you don't like camps, then get a few friends and go bust the camp. or heck, fit up a mwd+cloak ship and run their camp a bunch of times just to annoy them. camping creates content for the campers, the victims, and any pvpers that are just looking for a fight.

if you don't like ganks then don't make yourself a target. Hauling in a ship with a paper bag for a tank just isn't smart, likewise mining in a barge that only focuses on yield and cargo hold makes you an easy kill. Or getting greedy and hauling so many billions of isk that it becomes profitable for 20 people to gank you. Ganking has been nerfed a number of times, concord response times have been made faster multiple times, insurance payouts got removed for criminals, and looting the wreck creates a suspect timer for the looter.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
Ashes of Exploration
#13 - 2017-02-04 20:10:10 UTC
A new pilots future in eve is to lose a lot of ships, and over time begin to lose them less and less. Gatecamps and ganking suck but they're part of a PvP centric game. You'll replace the losses you suffer now, you'll get more used to operating in dangerous space, but understand that at its core, EVE was designed so your days are ruined 99% of the time by other players.

One day you could be ruining days
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#14 - 2017-02-04 20:14:50 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
even better would be to train up and use a ship with a covert ops cloak as you can warp cloaked.

Even better still is to just stay the heck out of low-sec and null-sec...

I mean super ratting looks pretty good, and I'm not completely against the idea of buying a super now that they can be docked in keepstars. P

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#15 - 2017-02-04 20:18:19 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I mean super ratting looks pretty good, and I'm not completely against the idea of buying a super now that they can be docked in keepstars. P

Maybe.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#16 - 2017-02-04 20:25:09 UTC
av Utama wrote:
upgraded to Omega , was fun to learn exploration , but the future not looking good...

To lose all with no time to react to stupid camp again and again
3 second , that all , you get blown up

You can tell that it's going bad if , 1 sec after jump there is warp disrupt, only 1 sec

I don't like this "pvp" system , this is ugly and bad

Rage quit


Honestly, even if my advice is too late, when you happen to run into gate camps several times, chances are you are doing something wrong.

For one thing, your map has filters so you can filter for exploding player-ships so you are warned when a certain system is "hot". Another way to keep your ship from exploding is looking for choke points in Null or LowSec, because those are frequently camped. Also avoid playing in time zones where tons of people are playing, if possible. If I'm on a longer exploration-trip, I tend to ignore choke points like that and instead travel through W-Space until a random wormhole spits me out in HighSec again.

You have the tools, just use them!
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#17 - 2017-02-04 20:38:45 UTC
Low-sec is a rigged shell game (gate camps). Null-sec is like being carjacked (bubbles). The only way to win at their game is not to play.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2017-02-04 20:43:39 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Avoiding Gate camps:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6510125#post6510125

Edit: Some other advice...

- don't take the shortest or most trafficked route. While this may make some deep, dark ancestral instinct in the back of your head recoil (because a lot of people are disposed to "stay and travel where other people are"), you need to find routes and systems that see little traffic. This will often add 3 to 7+ jumps to your journey, but it is often worthwhile.

- auto-pilot is not your friend. In high-sec, you can get away with auto-piloting... provided you are in a stupidly cheap ship that you would not mind losing or you are in a SUPER tanked ship that isn't carrying anything of real value.
Outside of high-sec, auto-piloting is a virtual death sentence.

- when in doubt, burn back to gate. This is where Microwarpdrives are very handy. If you jump into a gatecamp, stay calm. Find the stargate you came from, then quickly move towards it with your MWD activated. Jump through as soon as you are able. Do not use drones, or any offense module in any way (for this will create an aggression timer that will prevent you from jumping).

- gankers are people too! If you have a sense of humor and okay "people skills," try talking with the people who killed you. Ask them how to avoid their firepower or defend yourself. More often than not, you will be surprised by the answers they give.


edit2: I dug up another thread you can read with regards to gatecamping

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6020093#post6020093
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
#19 - 2017-02-04 20:49:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Vanessa Celtis wrote:
Yep, this is what they do not tell you when you upgrade

Why would they be telling you that when you upgrade? It's not like gatecamps and ganks will only happen after you have upgraded. They can happen to alphas and omegas alike.

Do you know what they tell you right at the beginning? They tell you that you are never safe, and that you will loose ships. If you fly around in everything you have at once, you only have yourself to blame.

Do you know what they are telling you upon entering lowsec? They give you a popup warning you that you are entering extremely dangerous territory.

You simply cannot claim they haven't told you. They have, multiple times. If you refuse to listen/read, then there's literally nothing they can do, except wait for you to learn it the hard way.

Owen Levanth wrote:
Honestly, even if my advice is too late, when you happen to run into gate camps several times, chances are you are doing something wrong.

He's flown into Tama, of all places. He has done that twice - that can still be considered part of the learning process. If it happens a third time, and he still doesn't start thinking about what he may be doing wrong, that's where I would start worrying.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2017-02-04 20:52:14 UTC
Vanessa Celtis wrote:
av Utama wrote:
upgraded to Omega , was fun to learn exploration , but the future not looking good...

To lose all with no time to react to stupid camp again and again
3 second , that all , you get blown up

You can tell that it's going bad if , 1 sec after jump there is warp disrupt, only 1 sec

I don't like this "pvp" system , this is ugly and bad

Rage quit


Yep, this is what they do not tell you when you upgrade, and this is what is killing the game. Gate camps and suicide ganking machines are an exploit of the game. A glitch in the design left on purpose by CCP which prevent the game to grow.

Actually, they're precisely why the game is so popular.

To Utama: Learn how to beat them. Use instant-aligning ships to get out before they can even lock you, use ships with cloaking devices and MWDs to get out before the find and lock you, use ships with warp core stabilisers so they can't point you, use the tools (in-game and 3rd party) to gather intel about the route you intend to travel, avoid the shortest route from HiSec trade hubs to low/null, talk to people, get assistance where necessary.

The tools are there to avoid those seemingly unfair instakill-superdeath-lose-everything moments. Use them.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein

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