Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Never been hunting have you? Have hunted a lot myself. If I see a big boar I know that boar is there the next day. It doesn't magically disappear. It leaves tracks and damage I can use to follow it. It's not in one of +7000 paddocks in the area. It's not alerted by a 100% accurate red star icon when I drive up in it's area.

EvE is nothing like actual hunting

Which we have said multiple times.


People's habits change when they get decced. Making weeks worth of intel work completely ******* useless once the dec drops.

You go to the park everyday yeah? Its part of your daily routine,
And I come up and say, "HEY! In 24 hours IMMA DECK YAH IN THE SHNOZZE"

Are you seriously going to go the park the next day?

Also, Highsec corps do not consolidate in a certain systems. It's not a normal thing. They are scattered. So intel work in a dense area like highsec, is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.



This is the most annoying thing about Wardec,

People are so infused with the idea that Wardec's are easymode, always bitching and moaning about them. But when it comes to making an argument against them, it's incredibly obviously they are only using the idea's that other people who ***** about wardecs are saying people who have no idea how it actually works. But will sit there and throw countless idea's out in Ignorance about how "WARDECS CAN BE FIXED BY X"


It's like if I run around and say all people do in Null is blob and press F1 and sometime click a MWD and let it run for a cycle. Which is completely inaccurate due to a complete misunderstanding on how nullsec fleet combat works.


The most aggravating thing when it comes to a debate like this, is you are debating someone who THINKS they know what they are talking about, but in reality are just using the same rehashed tripe that comes down from people the annoying mentality that TRUE PvP comes from some other X area of space.

Like somehow Lowsec PVP is pure, Or Nullsec PVP is pure and every where else isn't because it's "Broken and I don't have the time to try to understand how it works because Lol"

I completely agree with the watchlist changes.


What I disagree with has been the broad and unthinking stroke that ccp used to fix it.

That's pretty good yeah. There's a counter to it too. You simply ask your members to stay logged on during wars. Seems like a decent compromise.

New Item: Tracking Bug

Fits to a hidden rig slot

Fired from core probe launcher (non aggressive action if used with passive targeter, flags suspect if not used in tandem with module)

Attaches to target ship, Repackaging is the only way to remove the rig unless we have some sort of nanite thing to root them out.

Pings you when engines are active and lights up on the map

Cloaking and wormholes/new 0.0 spai arrays can obfuscate signal

Target can only detect the tracker rig if some scans their ship with a ship scanner, and only at point blank range.

Limited range of operation, requires you to be in X lightyears to work, which keeps locator functionality.

Voila, new fun game mechanics, new indy stuff to build and lots of paranoid targets.

Discuss

no but Raz has been beating CCP Goliath about the head with it for months now.

ill sort it shortly though

Will keep an eye on it.

I get as much value from using this forum as I do from Youtube comments. Bye.

Forget even wardecs for a second. Much of Eve gameplay (and the most engaging of it in my opinion) is built upon continued interactions between the players, so it makes no sense for players to have no way to determine if their opponent is online.

Take killrights and bounties for instance in this hypothetical example. Say some player loses a hauler or exploration ship while in lowsec and is podded. They want vengeance and notice that the pirate has a significant bounty on them. They have this killright, so they decide to stalk them knowing that even in highsec, they can engage and kill them for some of that bounty and sweet revenge.

So they spend the next few hours studying killboards, come up with a fit they think will work, and rope their friends into being on standby to provide some sneaky remote reps when they give the call and then log off. The next day they log in and run a locator finding the target is 15 jumps away. They slog on over only to find the target not in local. The ask their friend to run another locator to see if target has moved, and wait around only to find out the target is still there in the station and thus logged off. They say 'drat' and fly back home after wasting 45 minutes of their time. They try this again the next day after finding the target is in a different system deep in lowsec. They trudge on over and do another locate, only to find yet again, the target is not online. At this point they throw up their hands, say "**** it" and give up on their plans to get satisfaction and return to grinding exploration sites and doing PI.

This is not good game design CCP. We get that instant and free intel on people logging in was OP, but the current systems to locate other players to carry on your feud are now insufficient. It is not workable that hunting someone requires a massive manpower-intensive intel networks, or corporate infiltration just to know if your opponent is even vulnerable. It's like if you provided no information on the next vulnerable window of a citadel - how broken would that be? Sure, you'd still have people here (mostly carebear citadel owners) saying "get good" and telling you to go camp that citadel for 24/7 until you figure out when you can attack, but that is far too tedious to be practical.

Yes, I am aware there are non-official workarounds, but there really needs to be more, sanctioned ways to know when your targets are active. Whether that is a change to locator functionality, new tracking modules or items, or new structures in space, something needs to be done to let players find each other if you want players stories to still be told (or at least more interesting than "I flew to Jita and then I exploded"), especially by the small groups and solo players. They don't have to be free, they don't have to be instant, and they don't have to be invulnerable, but more needs to exist for hunters in a game where logging out means you are 100% invulnerable to attack.

CCP just needs to change locator agents to return a "I'm sorry the target has gone to ground" or "we were unable to locate your target" if the target is offline.