Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The watchlist was just a stalking list by a different name.

Exactly how is the game telling people exactly when someone logs on realistic?
What other game does that?
How is that even appropriate or fair for newer players?
What successful game encourages stalking by adding mechanics to make it possible?

Is there a realistic argument here without trying to change the subject altogether by asking about someones personal experience?

Seems some pvprs got spoiled by an outdated system and found that actual work was too much work to actually legitly do what was being handed to them for years.

I personally don't believe the objective of any game should be to run a player out of it. Watchlisting encourage this behavior, which is not good for the life of EvE in general.

But we can see what you really care about here "yourself" and not the community altogether.

More QQ'ing from the high sec gankers who can't fill up their kill boards as quickly with noob frigate and Indy kills. Why don't you go to low wh and null for pvp? Oh yeah.. because you'll actually get shot at there.

There are a few things here.

Firstly on the stalking thing, I kind of agree. I know a couple of female players that under the old system had 3-4 private conversation requests the moment they logged in. They didn't want to block the people, but also didn't really appreciate the ability of other players to instantly know when they logged in.

However, this is nothing about spoiled pvpers, nor running players out of the game. Those are just emotive adjectives to describe something you don't personally like. Not liking something is fine, but that doesn't mean people who do like it are wrong either.

On the logical side, the argument in favour of the watchlist is that the current situation isn't good for anyone. No one likes the way wardeccing has adjusted to strongly favour hub humping as the optimal way to play.

Because people can't hunt characters in game, the best way to play is to dec everyone and let the content come to you.

So in a purely practical sense, it suits everyone to change the current situation. It would be an improvement both for wardeccers and for defenders.

If you can hunt other characters, you can go looking for them, rather than just waiting for characters. That will result in fewer wars (as before), encourage smaller mercenary groups (rather than only large groups like now) and potentially incresase the opportunities to catch isolated wardeccers that are out hunting, rather than trying to hit a mass of opposition that can dock and reship anytime.

One way to do that is to bring back the watchlist. The logic is fairly easy to see in that respect.

You can't hunt people that aren't online.

Emergent gameplay has happened. It's emerged that the best way to run a war now is to just dec everyone and wait for them to come to you. Even though that isn't ideal for anyone (on either side), that's the most effective way for wardeccers to play since the watchlist changes.

But, when you say this:

Why don't you go to low wh and null for pvp?

If you are in a permawardec, why don't you go to low, wh or null to get away from it?

Afterall, by the logic outlined, the wardeccers won't follow you there (which actually isn't true for all of them).

And that's of course where the logic breaks down and why these comments are pointless. You have every right to choose to be in highsec for your play. Wardeccers have that exact same right. Neither is a choice that is bad and neighter deserve the qq comments, just for choosing a perfectly valid style of play.

but my pompous self-important personality is all I have left

anyways highsec wars are something of a shitshow, I'm not convinced the watch list would help or hurt improve the situation.

+1

Yes, people will try to hunt and kill you in Low, WH and Nul. And Hisec too, yes. EVE being a PVP centric game.

If you see being 'harassed' (define harrased please) and killed in EVE as a problem, then are you asking for a PVP free zone to play in? Such as hisec?

The problem with watchlists is they provided instant intel the second the super/titan logged in which is why they got nuked. Locator agents do not work in this way so there is no reason to shoehorn mercs and bounty hunters to only highsec.