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Boosts are becoming AoE anyways, so even if they do the people out in the belt won't be recieving them. Your orca needs to be out in the belt with the miners.

The new structures are turning out quite nice. One nitpick that I have is the animated lights that are supposed to represent traffic. Would it be possible to add a distance falloff map so that traffic lights in the distance are much more feint and small? At the moment it tends to clutter the scene.

Another request is to randomize the colors used, and vary the intensities to differentiate between different sizes and kinds of traffic. All in all I really like the direction of giving more life to New Eden, like it's actually populated by people other than Capsuleers.

Even if a Citadel was not better than 4 t1 battleships, that is still huge. Because you have the firepower of 4 battleships, but you have that while being un-killable, un-neutable, un-jammable. You just have a small but powerful extra fleet that you can add to whatever else you can put on the field and that your enemy cannot take out during the fight.

And of course those special weapons that no ship has... some of them appear to be quite powerful.

What if you are tethered and an astroid belt is on grid?

That's because Citadels serve as a whole lot more than normal battleships - they are the places where Corporations and Alliance store their goods, and serve a majority of the same functions as outposts. Not to mention that they are packing an exponentially greater amount of EHP overall (on top of the damage mitigation once you hit a certain point).

And I believe I've re-iterated it before: target the Logistics first if you are that scared-to-the-bone of them. Once the Logi are gone, it should not be that much of an issue to take out the Battleships next with concentrated fire.

But at the end of the day, you appear to be all about "a Citadel should be able to wipe out entire fleets on their own", when a Citadel's best performance is alongside a supporting fleet. After all, the Corps/Alliances that control the Citadel have a stake in protecting them in the first place. They're meant to be powerful, but not overpowered.

What were you wanting? For the Fortizar to have the fire-power of four Titans?

If they do it any other way it will just complicate their code execution, ie setting a distance from booster will invoke a ton of code running. Imagine 4000 people in a system and every second each player is checked distance from booster.

I feel there is a needless complexity with the service rigs. Two for Ice? One for HS Minerals? One for Lowsec/Null Minerals? We used to just slap a refinery up, and that was it. This makes me wonder if the bonuses for manufacturing are going to be needlessly complex as well. Am I going to have to build multiple citadels to get bonuses for manufacturing fuel/ammo/capship parts and so on? I can understand different high/low/null rigs, but these are nothing in comparison to the versatility and simplicity of a starbase.

I can understand the 3-rig system for the current citadels as they are designed for combat. But for the upcoming manufacturing arrays, I really hope they include more than 3. Or perhaps dedicated service module rig slots, and keep the traditional 3 for combat.

Your obsession with the fact is what I don't understand. You say all of this, but I doubt you ever even tested it in an actual battle. Citadels are supposed to be more than floating fortresses, and CCP certainly didn't mean for them to be treated as such.

Besides, a Citadel deserves to be blown up if the alliance/Corporation that controls it cannot be bothered to mobilize to protect it, which is part of the reason why they are built as such. They are designed to promote alliance based PVP, and they are meant to be the eventual replacements of the Outposts and other Player-owned Stations.

The said the new structures would replace these things *eventually*. But they also said there would be more specialized structures with bonus based around there intended use. Although you can use a citadel for refining. It is not its intended use, there will be structures in upcoming releases that give bonus to that sort of thing.

I have been saying this stuff for weeks now and everyone kept brushing it off. Citadels are not cost effective as a defensive asset and require a boost to their damage, particularly the bombs (including the neutbomb, its application is too weak).


It should be at least as expensive to destroy a defensive asset in a pitched battle as it is to construct the defensive asset. That's my opinion on how expensive or difficult it should be to destroy a Citadel.