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This. **** dailies. Someone should be slapped for even bringing it up.

This sounds like a bad idea.

Dear CCP Rise,

Sorry I am to completely disagree with your point of view.

You think that once logged in to perform daily chores players might be hooked by talking with friends in Corp chat, invited to fleet, e.t.c.

Actually, that stupid routines do are exactly the opposite.

I am to note that leveling up in Eve requires a long time and it is NATURAL that players have several accounts normally three (for example, main, co-pilot providing bonuses and scout/tackler) or even more for professional miners. Also there are other useful toons on these accounts like cyno alts, inventors, haulers, station traders, industrialists, planetary and so on.

Let's say I log in each of my nine (or six or twelve) toons to shoot that damn rat. Toons with active queues need these additional SPs, characters with inactive queues (I don't farm ISKies enough to farm all nine PLEXes per month) would be “milked” for SP with extractors to speed up main's learning or just for sale. You noted absolutely correctly that skillpoints are the most powerful reward in Eve.
So, friend invites me to fleet. I do respond: “Sorry, mate, not now! I still have to login my other eight toons to kill that damn rats”. I don't join the fleet because i HAVE to complete these stupid daily chores to remain competive and not to regret about missed SPs.

Dailies feature ruins content instead of helping to create it.

CCP Rise, please, reconsider !

IN A PLAYER DRIVEN FUTURE - REVISITED

[11:15] Saturday

Servers are online and you log in with the anticipation of spending some solid play time after a hard week at work. Last weekend you created 7 thorax hulls and every day since you've logged in for ten minutes after work to complete a corporation daily to hand one in, Now it's time to reap those rewards.

In your journal are 7 entries with timers ranging from 7 days to 14. All of them 3/10 complexes, Sweeeet! Well worth the effort of making all those hulls.

[11:45]

You're half way through your reward sites when the call comes out that an enemy corp has brought a fleet to blow up corp assets and tto form a counter-fleet. Since the timers have days before they expire, you decide to go join the fleet rather than continue, you can always do them tomorrow.


CCP Rise - I'm still not convinced SP is a good reward, but if it's at the end of this chain of activities at least it starts with player driven content and has more meaningful PvE options than killing one npc.

As per CCPs own data (http://i.imgur.com/h7lNte1.png) most of Eve's player base is in their late 20s or early 30s. Most people in that age range who can afford to pay for an MMO have jobs and other real life commitments which make logging in daily challenging at best.

The fact that Eve has (up until now) respected my time is a major selling point for me, and judging from the figures and rage here, probably a lot of other people. Teenage me wouldn't have been bothered by dailies, he had all the time in the world, but teenage me would also have got bored of Eve months ago and stopped paying CCP money...

This change makes me feel that my pattern of play (3-4 hours, twice a week) is less valuable to CCP than a more "regular" player, when it's entirely probable that my 3-4 hours adds more content to the sandbox than someone logging on seven times to shoot an NPC.

If you want to incentivise people to log in, please consider those who simply can't log in every day, maybe by making the rewards weekly, or by capping them at 2-3 per week, or taking play time into account, or something.

Also, r.e. the reasons for the bonus being skill points and not ISK - since the advent of skill injectors skill points *are* ISK, and vice-versa, so CCPs "SP are more of a motivation" argument may hold for psychological reasons, but it doesn't make economic sense.

At current Jita prices (with a lot of rounding) 50 days of dailies fills a skill extractor and nets the player ~400m ISK, or ~8m ISK a day (after paying for the extractor). The opposite is also true - you can buy skill injectors to opt out of this feature at a cost (albeit one that escalates based on the number of SP your character has).

TL;DR: won't somebody think of the parents, and SP = ISK, so just give ISK and avoid the rage.

You could implement this to give people a reason to undock.

or you could just give people a real reason to undock such as i dont know fun gameplay mabey???

Once upon a log ago there wasn't a skill queue. There was however skills. So once in a while you timed it wrong and would get up on an alarm clock. No SP lost, but lesson learned. Then you always kept skills in reserve to make sure you could game the system, login whenever you wanted and still get full sp.

Then the 24hr skill queue came. To me this was excellent. Whenever I'd be unable to play, I'd just insert a long skill. Gaming the system to be able to play whenever I wanted. But without the need to get up for a skill change alone.

Then the skill queue got limitless. Very handy, but not really a game improvement. But highly gameable: For skills there's not need to log in at all (except when you put in a short, like 100day queue).

Now there's this kill one npc (on research altas with no offensive skills at all? On titan pilots?) or loose sp. There's no need, except to kill that npc. The incentive is fully artificial. And doesn't invoke choices. There's no game-ability. You gotta 'play' every day. Smart people did not need to see skills and their queueing as a chore. This cannot be described otherwise.

I hated wow daily quests and I will hate this daily chore.

Maybe make it so you can kill the npc on a simple android/iphone/winmobile app? Or via crest? Implement some sort of evejewelled or eveville?

We get you're trying to boost online count, this is not the way to do it. Using dailies as a motivational tool is NOT good game design, its operant conditioning. Dailies do not belong in EVE.
Trying to make somethign that isn't a punishment? Dailies are a punishment, in that if you don't do them, especially for an SP reward, you're punished. SP as a reward for for any activity is an absolutely terrible idea, dailies of any kind are a terrible idea anyway. You're devaluing SP yet again, and devaluing the game as a whole by doing so.
Trying to avoid devaluing other currencies and crashing markets doesn't create an excuse to devalue SP further.


No! Even you admit that a pvp reward for killing your own alt isn't fun or interesting, how is killing a random rat any better? You honestly think getting to a belt for an SP reward is a good mix? No, its insulting. It'll get used because people will feel compelled to use it to avoid being left out, not because they really want to do dailies. Yes, I'm aware that not everyone will feel this way. Far too many will. Logging on should be because one wants to, not because they'll feel like they're missing out if they don't.


I'd like to point out again that making people feel like they're going to miss out if they don't participate doesn't make the relevance particularly valid. I'd also point out that not everyone will find this relevant anyway, for whatever reasons they may have (after all, this is a sandbox, what is relevant to one person won't be to someone else).


Comparing it to other games is perfectly valid, and it's not so much the slippery slope toward just another generic mmo; its that the idea of dailies is anathema to the core of EVE (or any sandbox game), and for a great many players one of the very reasons we left other games and play EVE. This was pointed out MANY times in this thread, and your response to it shows you don't get that. WE DO NOT WANT DAILIES IN ANY FORM.


If you're REALLY taking the feedback seriously the ONLY thing you guys should be doing is dropping this concept immediately without implementing it in any form, even on the test server. Implementing this makes it clear you're really not taking this thread seriously at all. The feedback in this thread has been overwhelmingly negative. The response to all this feedback should've been, "Ok, we won't implement this in any form."

No dailies!

I saw this on Reddit and rushed right over. This is not just a bad idea. This will KILL Eve. Please do some research on what motivates people. Read the book, "Drive" by Daniel Pink. I can tell you now what science says will happen if you do this:

In the short-term, you will enjoy increased logins sure, but as people associate logging in with being PAID, over time not only will people require more and more reward to justify the effort, but you will have now told people that logging in is not "fun." It is something for which you must be paid to do and therefore cannot be something you are CHOOSING to do. People will view logging in as a CHORE. Congratulations! That will kill your game.

Now, even though I am not being PAID to do so, I will solve your problem of wanting to increase logins but not knowing how to do so:

Associate some real purpose with a more frequent login. Nothing 1 for 1 though. Your PLEX for Good is a good starting place. Perhaps something in which (doing X) will cause a small donation by CCP toward PLEX for Good, but (activity X) cannot be performed, or is not rewarded more than once every 22 hours or probably better, every 72 hours.

Something along those line, or perhaps giving a vote as to how PLEX for Good is donated in the real world. Do something in game that tips the scale slightly in the direction you want.

I hope you read this before destroying Eve. <-- That's not hyperbole.

I refuse to accept this as an acceptable way to get people logging in. SP as a reward for shooting npcs (something many people such as myself never do) is too overpowered and forces people to play the way CCP wants instead on how they want.