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Burner Mission - Ship advice to solo them including fittings

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Toddle
Moosed it
#1041 - 2016-03-10 04:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Toddle
NOS is ineffective vs Cruor burner also. On the bright side the X5 Enduring Web uses less than 2 cap per cycle so doesn't even need NOS anymore, but it [NOS] was definitely not doing anything that time around.

Pre-patch I would always see double figures, 15 or so cap before neut zero'd me out. Post patch I never saw more than 10 cap.

[Jaguar, Cruor Burner]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Mark I Compact Shield Power Relay
Mark I Compact Shield Power Relay

Gistum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender
EM Ward Amplifier II

200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu
200mm AutoCannon II

Small Core Defense Field Purger II
Small Core Defense Field Purger II
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1042 - 2016-03-10 07:21:34 UTC
Ploing wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:

In case you can't match the Burner speed use a T2 speed rig or an A-Type AB or speed imps like Zor's Hyperlink etc.


So, basically "here's the fit, but fly different one", got it.
For the record, it will take much more than that to make it go above 1400 for jag burner. Do you guys run missions snaked/linked or something? Lol

For now I just don't see why don't just use MWD instead of all that bling, especially since they all start at range, I think.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1043 - 2016-03-10 10:59:42 UTC
Morning all, just to let you know I'm going to take a look at your concerns and see whether I can see whats changed here. I'll report back with my findings! Smile

CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0

@CCP_Lebowski

Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1044 - 2016-03-10 11:06:27 UTC
thx for looking into it.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#1045 - 2016-03-10 19:04:00 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Quick question:
Chruker insists that chase speed of burners Jag and Hawk are about 11400 and 1100 respectively, however OP still suggests that kite Retribution can handle them. Particular fit that is suggested under the link in the OP is an AB fit that can barely go above 1050.

Of course we can always slap an MWD on it (if they start outside of their 13 km "death radius" in the mission pocket), but what's the deal with the suggested fit?

Just so that you don't have to look it up:

[Retribution, Burner Jaguar/Hawk]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Gistii A-Type 1MN Afterburner
[empty med slot]

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
[empty high slot]
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S

Small Energy Locus Coordinator II
Small Energy Locus Coordinator II


with an overdrive the retribution can out speed the hawk no problem, I assume it would run into problems vs the jag, I usually use an ECM MWD rail harpy for that, but looks like a MWD retribution would work. With max skills you could throw a nano or something in the empty low, or with lower skills I think a pdu might help make it fit.


[Retribution, kill it burner mwd kite]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
[empty low slot]
Co-Processor II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
[empty med slot]

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma S
[empty high slot]
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma S

Small Energy Locus Coordinator II
Small Energy Locus Coordinator II


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Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1046 - 2016-03-10 22:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ploing
@ ccp lebowski

run a couple burners today with nos use (the cruor and dramiel) and all went ok today. dram was down in 40 sec unheated.
Sid358
Crossfire Angels in Memories
#1047 - 2016-03-11 17:39:00 UTC
after changes is now fit of the garmur:

[Garmur, Garmur Team Burner Update]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive
BZ-5 Scoped Gravimetric ECM
BZ-5 Scoped Gravimetric ECM
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster

Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I



Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x2000
Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x2000
Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x2000
Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x2000

stable!
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1048 - 2016-03-11 20:01:18 UTC
as Bumblefck mentioned a page before try the polarized version.
Toddle
Moosed it
#1049 - 2016-03-11 21:47:34 UTC
Thanks for looking into this :)

I ran six quick tests today on tranq with the Jag fit posted below. I just warped to a belt rat, waited a couple ticks for 100% cap, and then tested time to cap depletion:

NOS + AB + WEBS + BOOSTER = 1m28, 1m30s (activated NOS at start with 100% cap)
NOS + AB + WEBS + BOOSTER = 1m30s, 1m32s (activated NOS at 50% cap)
AB + WEBS + BOOSTER = 1m18s, 1m21s

Fitting window predicts cap depletion after 1m15s, not acounting for NOS. It would appear NOS is working, but nowhere near as well as it should be. Then again these numbers are arguably within margin of error so...

If I get the Cruor burner again will do some more testing.

[Jaguar, dram burner]
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

1MN Afterburner II
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster

200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Energy Nosferatu II
200mm AutoCannon II

Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II

Republic Fleet EMP S x4351
Nanite Repair Paste x60
SirElwood Blues
Fuxi Legion
Fraternity.
#1050 - 2016-03-12 10:00:55 UTC  |  Edited by: SirElwood Blues
NOS has definitely being nerfed, lost 1 ship that ran burner agent missions without ever running low using NOS, now I'm dry (and dead) in 1.5 minutes.

As fitting screen showed me I should be cap stable with NOS running, something must be wrong. Even if it would have falloff it shouldn't matter since I was at 0 of the NPC.
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1051 - 2016-03-12 13:46:51 UTC
made a few improvements at my enyo vs worm burner

[Enyo, Worm]
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive
Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Small Knave Scoped Energy Nosferatu

Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator II

Warrior I x1

with genolution set, zor and NN-605 you catch him within 2 oh cycles.
does 431 dps unheated and 496 dps heated at all V

killtime unheated 1:25 min, heated 1:05
Lit HiB Hilanen
Eagle hills traders and hunters
#1052 - 2016-03-12 14:00:01 UTC
Does anyone have a working fit now for daredevil against worm?
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1053 - 2016-03-12 14:12:42 UTC
Lit HiB Hilanen wrote:
Does anyone have a working fit now for daredevil against worm?


the unified devil should work quite well.

[Daredevil, Burner unified]
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Lit HiB Hilanen
Eagle hills traders and hunters
#1054 - 2016-03-12 14:34:50 UTC
Ploing wrote:
Lit HiB Hilanen wrote:
Does anyone have a working fit now for daredevil against worm?


the unified devil should work quite well.

[Daredevil, Burner unified]
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I



whats this...you can never catch worm with AB...

I had a perfect fit but with web nerf I cant catch him anymore, I have to pulse mwd like idiot. I am looking for scrambler fit I guess
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1055 - 2016-03-12 15:22:15 UTC
upps sorry copied a false fit

[Daredevil, Burner Worm]
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Centus C-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Coreli A-Type Kinetic Plating
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Gistii C-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive
Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
Cap Recharger II

Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Small Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu

Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I

but with a little search from yourself you should be able to find it yourself
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1056 - 2016-03-12 15:25:12 UTC
Lit HiB Hilanen wrote:


I had a perfect fit but with web nerf I cant catch him anymore, I have to pulse mwd like idiot. I am looking for scrambler fit I guess


scrambler fit was always better before patch.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#1057 - 2016-03-12 23:41:24 UTC
something change with the one linked in the op? If I remember right it still fit when I logged in the other day. lost a little scram range, but shouldn't be a big deal, probably replace with a CN scram which is something I was thinking of doing but didn't seem to matter enough but just might with the range change?

[Daredevil, Blaster Burner Gurista]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Corpus B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener

Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Ancillary Current Router I

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Evaldor
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1058 - 2016-03-14 21:32:30 UTC
hi guys. after patch im in search what to do :\

Before patch this fit was fine but now im runing out of cap...

[Vengeance, Vs Dramiel]
Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Reactive Armor Hardener
Ballistic Control System II
Coreli B-Type Adaptive Nano Plating

Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier

Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Small Energy Nosferatu II

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket x2648

Can yu gime me som ideas that to do to kill Dramiel or maybe fit for another ship :)
Aghira
Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc.
#1059 - 2016-03-15 12:07:27 UTC
Evaldor wrote:

Before patch this fit was fine but now im runing out of cap...

Can yu gime me som ideas that to do to kill Dramiel or maybe fit for another ship :)


Try something like this:

[Vengeance, Angel Burner (Dramiel)]
Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Corpii A-Type EM Plating
Dark Blood Energized Explosive Membrane
Ballistic Control System II

Stasis Webifier II
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Small Energy Nosferatu II
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Anti-EM Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket x1500

Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, während des Krieges und nach der Jagd. (Otto von Bismarck)

english is not my native language.
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1060 - 2016-03-15 12:39:40 UTC
Evaldor wrote:


Can yu gime me som ideas that to do to kill Dramiel or maybe fit for another ship :)


ccp lebowsski is on it about the cap prob.

but if you want to try another ship Blink

[Succubus, burner dramiel beater all V]
Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

1MN Afterburner II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Stasis Webifier II
Gistum B-Type Explosive Deflection Amplifier

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Small Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu

Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

as u kite the dram with this u have a small transversal. you have to be over 840 m/s with the ab. so perhaps check ur imps and made an upgrade to a faster ab.