Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Strike one, NPC corp poster in F&I.

Strike two, asking for more safety when cloak+MWD already exists.

Strikes three through seven, Scope.

--> use Cov Ops/ instawarp ceptors

Probleme solved

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The best strategy in the game should not be one that is so boring you feel like logging out. Gate camps are a symptom of how difficult it is to actually catch anyone in this game. Sure I could warp all over the place trying to get on grid with someone and have time to lock them before they warp away, or I could sit at a gate all day and just wait for people to come to the grid I'm at. It might be boring waiting at a gate but at least I would have a chance to catch something.

It's also frustrating for the victim since the only way to avoid the camp is to have an alt scout you around; two un-fun experiences don't make for a fun one. I have said in other threads but I believe that fewer alts would be good for the game, and that CCP should be striving to remove cases where an alt is basically essential.

How to "fix" gatecamps is a tough one but I think it could be done through a rework of tackle mechanics or through some other means.

Lowsec gates are utterly dead once you get passed the highsec neighbouring systems. Although even these days even they are pretty quiet compared to days gone by. Heck, just the other week I flew from null to highsec in my travel inty. Once in high sec I slapped on autopilot to get to destination whilst I made a coffee...came back to find I'd forgotten to readjust the route from shortest to safest and I'd made a half dozen jumps into low on autopilot and was still alive.

Now in the spirit of being constructive let me offer you some tips to help you out. Please keep in mind that it seems to me that you want to roll solo/alone and that is fair enough, to each their own, just understand it does limit you.

First off use map stats. Plot your route and examine the map, look for ship losses in the last hour, pod losses. If you see any, go look at the system on a killboard and check the death - camps will stand out loud and clear next to a facwar killing for example.

If you find no kills, good - that means it's been quiet. But don't stop there, check the number of pilots active in space too, maybe there are camps but no kills (not uncommon) and perhaps avoid the bigger glows - again check killboards.

None of this needs an alt and takes but a minute of your time if you're flying through a hot zone. You get to know the dangerous systems.

Another option, in low sec is simply to use something that aligns in or under 2.0 seconds. Untackleable. In null use an interceptor.

There are plenty of ways and means even to the solo player to duck camps.


You may not like camps, but they're one of the only places left to force a casual fight. Most everything else is over a strategic asset, unless you dig FW.

Instead of all that you could just report the gate camps in intel channels, organise a fleet to hot drop them, problem solved right?

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There's been lots of reason. Just none coming from you.

I have yet to see you post a single reason why gate camps are bad beyond the fact that you don't like them. I've been in quite a few gate camps over my years playing. Most of them have been nothing more than people wanting to do something quasi-productive while sitting on comms socializing, but no one wants to go on a roam.

Gate camps have their place in EvE. They are the space equivalent of a checkpoint to get into any secure area. If you have clearance, ie being set blue, then you get through easily. If you don't have clearance, then you need to be able to move fast to outrun the guards.

Once again, the various methods to avoid gate camps have already been posted in this thread. If you don't want to use them, then stay out of areas where you may run into gate camps.

How many times must we tell you that trying to change the game so that you get to fly around dangerous areas in safety, without having to exert even a minimum amount of effort to earn that safety, is not the answer?

Given the sheer number of lopsided deaths that happen at gate camps, what would you say the ratio of frustration to fun is for people trying to get through them?

If you think the "running them is fun" camp equals the "fck gate camps" crowd, you're out of your mind.

And as I've already stated, a well designed mechanic would allow you to achieve the goals of your gate camps without being a pain in the rest of the player base's ass.

I swear, every time someone proposes a change to Eve (or any MMO, really), the masses scream "it'll break EVERYTHING" in their utter inability to take a rough idea and tweak it to taste, or even to imagine a world in which the good stuff stays while the bad stuff goes.

"Your idea, as literally stated, has problems, therefore gate camps have to stay as-is for all eternity even though most people hate them and even the campers mostly do them out of sheer boredom." -- most of the sentiment in this thread

Sure I have. The universally indiscriminate application of gate camps makes people dislike the game. That's it. It's a game. If a large part of it is not fun for the majority, then it's losing players that could otherwise be in the game with you. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.



So goes the theory. In my area of space, they're typically 4 to 8 ships from small corps exploding anything and everything. It's not a tactic in a war with another corp. It's not area control if they're on one gate in one system. It's 5 people pissing off everyone else for fun, nothing more.

Another day, another terrible idea from an NPC poasting alt non-entity