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Good man, couldn't of said it better myself !!!

Just read the blog



It's a very good idea, must admit never knew that many characters went through the bazaar each day.

Diminishing returns is also a very good idea, as it protects your older customers characters sp lead, which they deserve. It also allows others to get to a point where they can have more options with what they want to do in the game.

The only thing is to protect those older customers characters you will probably need a limit to which you can use them to boost a character. Off the top of my head, I'd say 150 million sp. But of course you would be in a better position to know what that cut of point should be.


Get rid of the character bazaar and replace with an in-game system like you are proposing in a very good idea.


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It also does away with the problem of someone buying a character where they don't like the name.

You can't just take one small piece of the argument that benefits you and argue it.

It disproportionately benefits newbros in large alliances. Why do you think this is good for EVE from a 10,000 foot view standpoint?

Let's not forget that newbros don't need SP to have fun. You've yet to demonstrate that SPs for newbros specifically is a problem that needs to be solved.




You completely lost me on your logic.

You can't trade SP today. What RMT pipe are you preventing by introducing SP Trading?




Why introduce the mechanism at all? You've just admitted it's at least as RMT-able as ISK? Currently the mechanism doesn't exist, but you'd like to introduce it so it turns into an RMT pipe?

There is a potential problem with the system.

If demand out strips supply then you are likely to get some of the richer players in EvE stockpiling them, they may do this anyway and release them slowly so that the price is artificially high.

You could combat this although it could be potentially ineffective.

When you buy the packet off of the market, you don't get the packet you get the sp ready to use. The problem is that all they would have to do is repackage them.

In what way is this feature modeled off the character bazaar in any way except that it pertains to trading.
That's like saying there is no difference between an Austin A40 and an Aston Martin DB11 - they both have 4 wheels and drive along a road.

You have done away with any need to have training decisions at all, You've given anyone with a large enough wallet the ability to create the perfect character for anything in game. There is no need to re-spec an elite character.

They have always been the downside to having the bazaar, Personalization / customization comes from being given the opportunity to alter your own character (time investment ) not the ability to bin it and create a whole new one. A name change, A skill respeccing package that is personalization not grow you own character in a day.
So the players who make most mistakes, the new guys still have to live with them until theyre old enough to start recycling, this helps them in what way then ???
Exploited .... How about introducing a new RMT mechanism into the game, Skill point Farms, With its base price always being fixed by the plex It will never be an independent commodity so always being able to be controlled by CCP. Nexx store was for vanity items only yet the Extractor is for aurum. Only people with optimum training can match a 4 packet / plex path - Only balance to that is to remove attribs so doesn't favour anyone in game, every player has the ability to train XXXX skillpoints per hour.

The PLeX has an intrinsic value that is tied to the core of the game - Time, but also an arbitrary value of money. The time value can never alter its set in stone, but the attributes of the players can all be removed so as not to hinder any player in gaining the exact same amount of skill point's in any given time period. With the introduction of the TSP its arbitrary value can alter its already inflated value and can also be manipulated directly by CCP by controlling the commodity in game. e.g.

Plex Market Price 300 million isk
( 30 days ) ÷4 = 7.5 days (500k @ optimum training ) + extractor cost ( ? ) + profit margin ( % )
1 TSP =75 million isk + extractor cost + profit margin.

Plex Market Price 1 Billion isk
( 30 days ) ÷4 = 7.5 days (500k @ optimum training ) + extractor cost ( ? ) + profit margin ( % )
1 TSP =250 million isk + extractor cost + profit margin.

Plex Market Price 2 Billion isk
( 30 days ) ÷4 = 7.5 days (500k @ optimum training ) + extractor cost ( ? ) + profit margin ( % )
1 TSP =500 million isk + extractor cost + profit margin.

The players will never control the price of the TSP only the PLeX will. All the above is based on optimum training attribs, they change dramatically when your getting lower sp values per month.

What your doing to this game you ought to change it from Team Size Matters to Team FA Matters.

And by your logic, some means all... ^^

You can't just invent many reasons with intention to prove that change is bad for entire GAME because it's not benefitial for you. Wait... You can.

You seem to live in this fantasy land where players are going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars respecing their characters to be "perfect" for what they fancy, when anyone with such spare cash to sink into the game can already do it through the bazarr for like 1% of the cost. If you truly have such a problem with people being able to retain their name on their RL funded chars that it is a good enough reason to rob everyone else of the utility this system offers you must have a personal agenda.

You are really being obtuse if you cant see how this system is modeled off the character bazaar, it is obvious to anyone with half a brain. The character bazaar facilitates the trade of sp for isk in character sized packets with ccp taking a transfer fee. The proposed system allows the trade of 500k packets of sp for isk with ccp taking a transfer fee. The only difference is the improved personalisation of the traded sp being retained on the players own character, along with the utility of the size of the packets. That and the diminishing returns, which the bazarr does not have at all.

So the $60,000 dollars they make each month from transfers is fantasy too ???? Then the sale of the plexes to actually buy the toons, noticed they've not offered up that info either. If real money is involved it just devalues the whole game.

Where is the passive income going to come from? Each account creating the SP is a plex of cost, plus the cost of the extractors. If 1 plex per 4 Extractorss is correct then you need to make 2 plex per account to break even, assuming you don't need to boost your chars to 5 mil sp to begin with (3 plex per char starting cost). Given you could just sell the plex in the first place the gain per char per month is also going to have to be worth said farmers time, plus there are transaction costs (in game and often IRL) meaning you are looking at least 10 or 20% return on investment for anyone to bother doing it. So unless the market value of a TSP reaches 60% the value of a plex nobody is ever going to farm it.

Given that there will be a flooded market with people unloading unwanted SP, and others constantly trading back their SP for sub time or consolidating characters, the SP market cost is not going to be dictated by SP farmers for a long time, if ever. The source of isk rich individuals willing to drop a plex of isk on buying 1 days SP is going to run dry pretty fast.

If it ever was an issue CCP can just cap TSP use per month. If a char is limited to producing 2 TSP a month for example, the TSP cost would need to be twice as much (well over the cost of a plex) for it to be worth farming. Similarly if a char was limited to injecting even 10 TSP a month it would pretty much nullify the effect of these imagined super rich TSP junkies.

CCP only needs to exhibit a small amount of common sense for pretty much every valid concern over this proposal to be answered. Whether they will show that common sense or not is up to them,