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with diminishing returns the sp will be for every 500k sp removed only 50k will be gained on accounts with more than 80m sp

Characters consuming a Transneural Skill Packet will receive the following amounts of unallocated skillpoints, based on the total skillpoints trained before consumption:
• 0 – 5 million skillpoints = 500,000 unallocated skillpoints added
• 5 – 50 million skillpoints = 400,000 unallocated skillpoints added
• 50 – 80 million skillpoints = 200,000 unallocated skillpoints added
• > 80 million skillpoints = 50,000 unallocated skillpoints added

So a hearty BUGGER OFF to everyone that's played for a significant amount of time. Yea thanks for that.

It might help newer players. It doesn't need to turn them into 50 million SP supercap pilots to help them out.

Quantify many players before you tell us how many will leave. And can they wait until this goes into effect so we can ask for your SP?

And yes, skills can be bought. Entire characters chock full of skills and skill points can be bought. All the things can be bought.

Does Amarr system have a monument like in Jita? ^^

Doesn't change the fact, that the skills are still trained. The skills does not pop up from thin air, which was what the guy initially argued.

Whether this mechanic can be abused, is something completely different. Your example, shows a possible abuse and does not really contribute to the original discussion (which was regarding the time spent on training the skills).

At this point in time, it is really not possible to tell, if it will be profitable to do the above scenario, since we don't have all the information needed to make such a judgement. But it sure is a concern and something CCP hopefully will take into account. This is the reason for this thread. So people can discuss this change in a rational manner, and not throw their arms in the air screaming "Ragnarok!" and "The end times are near!". The latter provides nothing constructive to the table.

My EVE friends and I will all go play Farm Sim 2015 if this makes it to TQ.

I will not support CCP in this "new player experience" trash that is making the game too easy. At this rate new players will start out with 40 mil SP and 10 bil isk. CCP is forgetting what got them here. Some people like hard games, it sets us apart from other gamers.

here's what we know;

it takes 7.7 days to train 500,000 to extract for a packet with an optimal remap and +5s. this means you can get 4 packets per 30 day period. 30 days gametime is 1.2bn isk.

one packet will be 300m isk, minimum. assuming people don't sell these at a loss.

now consider the following; you only get 10% of that SP back if you're above 80m SP.

that means you need to buy ~40 packets to buy a month's worth of SP. that's 12bn isk, minimum.

now consider that you've got to add the price of neural extractors to that.

Whether or not you think it should have anything to do with Jump Clones is irrelevant. The 'sandbox' allows players to 'game the system' in however manner they think it may profit them. Even if that means using things like jump clones to move to various markets instead of flying there in a Stealth Bomber.

POS Bowling was a beautiful example of this. Not it intended purpose but it worked.

Do you need somebody to drag up the first posts in 2003 of people complaining about the SP system?

"If SP was ever really that much of a problem, how would you explain 12 years so far?"
- I could replace "SP" with "Theme-Park" in that sentence, if you want to see some real salt.

"Again, most people are happy with increasing SP even further for new players"
- Depends on which parts of the EVE forums you frequent, I suppose.

"but this way is, at best terribly circuitous and at worst blackmailing character progression."
- I'm partially agreed here: Paying for progress isn't a great end-state. But are you willing to push solving the issue for good and just remove SP entirely?

"Pointing the finger at SP when there are far larger elephants in the room seems derpy."
- Are there bigger elephants in the room? Can I bug CCP Quant for that data?

"EvE takes time...Time to trust people, time to find the right corp, time to do everything. Having a steady incline of ships, costs, and the risks you can take is good while you begin to explore New Eden."
- Why should this incline be determined by the SP you're being drip-fed, instead of the ISK you've been generating through learning how to play?

"Again. Fix the leaks first. Figure out why people are leaving, why veterans aren't getting new players into the game."
- Are you willing to break NDA to show the figures that SP climbs aren't why people are leaving and Vets have such a hard time getting their friends to play?

"Getting into bigger more expensive ships faster is not going to make everyone happier."
- So nobody should be happy unless we know the single solution to making everyone happy?

"The people with the big and shiny ships are leaving just as anyone else, what would prevent a newer player from the same thing if he or she had said ships?"
- What makes keeping people around for a few months while they work towards a goal, and then leaving when they realize the goal is boring (i.e. "Leveling a Raven") better than letting them see what the gameplay is like to begin with and leave or stay based on how fun the game is?

Edit: Putting in links to original posts because this threadnaught is still moving at 2 pages a minute.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6104544#post6104544

it's not what i think.

this system quite literally has nothing to do with jump clones dude.