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ATXIII Collusion Investigation results

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Captain Thunk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#181 - 2015-10-07 17:15:10 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
I also want to say that i disagree with the final placings, while nulli indeed lost to pl neither the tuskers nor exodus did. They simply got seeded in a different spot and had to to meet hydramel twice before pl had to, which - just as pl, knocked them out.


In that persective, 3 of the top 4 went unbeated by any legit tournament team, crowing any one of them as the number 1 is wrong and unfair.


Simply not crowning a victor and destributing the prices in a even matter amongst the top 4 would be by far the better ruling.


I absolutely agree with this. IF ANYTHING CCP should of just had rematch with the next top 3. Completely wrong to allow PL 1st. Makespecially me feel CCP are now cheating. .


Why does it apply now when PL were already getting more ships than 4th or 5th when it was placed 3rd?

The logic you're using still applied, but you didn't mind then. Why do you mind now and why aren't you consistent with your beliefs?

I don't think you can use selective logic when it suits you and expect people to agree.

If you were sincere, which let's face it you're not, you would have said this before, asking CCP why PL was placed 3rd and getting more prizes than 4th or 5th when PL hadn't proven itself to be better than those teams.
Smurfinator
Exodus Command
Exodus.
#182 - 2015-10-07 18:36:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Smurfinator
I think the logic behind that Captain is that Exodus. hadn't lost to a team that wasn't cheating to that point. Meaning their losses shouldn't count against them since they were against teams that were ultimately disqualified.

However when PL was third, there was no reason to think differently because the supposed 1st and 2nd place hadn't yet been exposed or disqualified.
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#183 - 2015-10-07 20:31:46 UTC
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W0lf Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2015-10-07 22:12:24 UTC
Captain Thunk wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
I also want to say that i disagree with the final placings, while nulli indeed lost to pl neither the tuskers nor exodus did. They simply got seeded in a different spot and had to to meet hydramel twice before pl had to, which - just as pl, knocked them out.


In that persective, 3 of the top 4 went unbeated by any legit tournament team, crowing any one of them as the number 1 is wrong and unfair.


Simply not crowning a victor and destributing the prices in a even matter amongst the top 4 would be by far the better ruling.


I absolutely agree with this. IF ANYTHING CCP should of just had rematch with the next top 3. Completely wrong to allow PL 1st. Makespecially me feel CCP are now cheating. .


Why does it apply now when PL were already getting more ships than 4th or 5th when it was placed 3rd?

The logic you're using still applied, but you didn't mind then. Why do you mind now and why aren't you consistent with your beliefs?

I don't think you can use selective logic when it suits you and expect people to agree.

If you were sincere, which let's face it you're not, you would have said this before, asking CCP why PL was placed 3rd and getting more prizes than 4th or 5th when PL hadn't proven itself to be better than those teams.


What smurf said.
Itkovian Beddict
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#185 - 2015-10-07 22:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Itkovian Beddict
CCP Logibro wrote:
Davis TetrisKing wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:
Current Habit wrote:
What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it.


Skins have not been distributed yet, and in this case, they will not be receiving any. The number of match wins (and thus skins) for other teams will not be adjusted.

Icarus Narcissus wrote:
What does this do as far at the top 16 guaranteed to be in AT14? Will it now be top 14 or will two more teams have something to celebrate beyond victory for the greater good?


The teams previously placed 17 and 18 are now placed 15 and 16, and as such will be offered those positions (assuming we stick with them for next year)


Just curious, how are you going to determine who got 17th and 18th out of the teams that were knocked out in the same round (17th to 24th I believe)?


We'll rank that group similarly to how we rank the other elimination groups to work out seeding order and take the top two in order.


Based on Logibro's post here regarding seeding and quickly (and inefficiently) doing the arithmetic based on Null-Sec.com results, I believe this is the order of the originally 17th-24th placed teams:

R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
Dead Terrorists
Agony Empire
Project.Mayhem.
Vox Populi.
Out of Sight
The G0dfathers

Congratulations to R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N and Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork for making the top 16 and presumably being seeded an automatic place in next year's Tournament. I guess that 78 PLEX can be spent on something else next year [KICK].

I'll go and check my numbers now...
Allison A'vani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#186 - 2015-10-07 23:38:52 UTC
Justice may be blind, but she is one hot lady.
Calfis
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#187 - 2015-10-08 14:41:24 UTC
SwissChris1 wrote:
Kadesh (October 6 2015, 07:00:49 PM): "I regret nothing. If i could rewind time back, I just would be more opsec, so that no little ****** annoys me after the tournament. Anyone who has other mindset with ~honor~ or any other high-moral bullshit doesn't deserve to win. This is eve. "

source: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?20287-Don-t-let-your-dreams-be-dreams


That thread is wayy better than this one Roll
Laenatus
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#188 - 2015-10-08 14:51:50 UTC
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#189 - 2015-10-11 14:36:04 UTC
CCP Logibro wrote:
At the time, banning an account was beyond the scope of what we considered reasonable based on the tournament rules as they were.


Tournament rules as they were...

CCP you guys never really do catch on do you.

At the end of the day pressure from higher ups to make stuff happen with EVE causes ignorant mistakes like this. See SOMER Blink Ishukone Scorpions.

Not today spaghetti.

Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#190 - 2015-10-12 02:32:18 UTC
ISD Buldath wrote:
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lolwut.

It's not my fault Bad Bobby got 0wned. Maybe I should just post in all caps like everyone else about how great it feels to be vindicated?
David Semris
Doomheim
#191 - 2015-10-15 15:16:02 UTC  |  Edited by: David Semris
Very bad decision IMHO.

Have those teams beaten all others? Yes.

(Partially) Fixed matches between them - what exactly did it change apart from them having more time to prepare which is perfectly fine with me and very reasonable? They still had to beat the others and they did. From what I understand finals were not fixed.

Splitting rewards between themselves? Why not... Eh some silly rules...

At least you should have the courtesy to not move the loser teams up in the final rankings and you should have left first two positions empty...

Either way last tournament I was watching - silly rules, silly ending...
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#192 - 2015-10-17 15:32:29 UTC
cheaters got what they deserved vOv.

If its true what you say, that fixing matches doesnt really change the outcome, they wouldnt have cheated to start with, right?
Ginger Barbarella
#193 - 2015-10-18 22:49:34 UTC


Nice. :)

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Valacus
Streets of Fire
#194 - 2015-11-11 20:28:47 UTC
Very good and very smart decision by CCP. The Alliance Tournament wont' mean anything if the event loses its integrity. Colluding, fixing matches, and sharing information between teams destroys the spirit of the competition. Once that's gone, no one will care about the competition anymore and no one will watch, and that is bad for the game. They did what is in the best interest of the AT and EVE as a whole.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#195 - 2015-11-17 19:14:45 UTC
I have to say, I find it pretty amusing that some people feel the top two positions should be left open. Big smile
Name one sport, esport or otherwise, where that would be the final decision.
I'll wait....

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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
#196 - 2015-12-14 12:40:05 UTC
cheaters just got banhammered from all tournaments. that good. but how we are sure this will not happen to other alliances. its easy to rig up tournament
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#197 - 2016-02-22 20:59:31 UTC
I have to laugh at the rationalizations on failheap.

It boils down to this:

Either what you did (the level of setup sharing, the collusion to not use best setups and keep them hidden, etc) was not an advantage, or it was an advantage.

1) If it wasn't an advantage, why did you do it?
2) If it was an advantage, and it was against the rules, you deserve what you got.

Clearly you sought the advantage in practice, put yourselves in the position to have to make a hard moral choice when your teams met, and failed at that choice by taking further advantage.

You didn't play by the rules, you didn't win under the rules.

Game over.


(Yeah, I know I'm late to the party, but I was on a break from EVE and just catching up on all the old dirt.)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

cBOLTSON
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#198 - 2016-03-27 10:27:56 UTC
Been gone for years, PL are still winning these things?

The good old days of Unreal Tournament, fragging and sniping on Facing Worlds, listening to Foregone Destruction.......

Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#199 - 2016-05-30 09:43:33 UTC
cBOLTSON wrote:
Been gone for years, PL are still winning these things?


Only by getting the other teams ban *tinfoil hat*
Calexis Atredies
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#200 - 2016-07-07 16:35:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Calexis Atredies
Itkovian Beddict wrote:


Based on Logibro's post here regarding seeding and quickly (and inefficiently) doing the arithmetic based on Null-Sec.com results, I believe this is the order of the originally 17th-24th placed teams:

R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
Dead Terrorists
Agony Empire
Project.Mayhem.
Vox Populi.
Out of Sight
The G0dfathers

Congratulations to R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N and Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork for making the top 16 and presumably being seeded an automatic place in next year's Tournament. I guess that 78 PLEX can be spent on something else next year [KICK].

I'll go and check my numbers now...


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