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ATXIII Collusion Investigation results

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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#141 - 2015-10-06 23:33:51 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
I think it's BS to punish those that didn't have any idea about the cheating. And even though they seem to have colluded amongst themselves they still wrecked everyone else.


Dear Warlords Q.Q Alt,

It is up to the players of any team to consider if they should devote their months of effort toward a team captain who may lead them to victory but do so illegally, forfeiting the efforts of the whole team (and in some cases, the whole alliance who bankrolls the effort)....or whether they should instead devote their efforts to a team and captain who won't waste all that effort and ISK of the whole team.

In the end, it is up to team members to demand their captains aren't cheating bastards. if their captains and other team members aren't prepared to play honestly right up until the end, then leave that alliance and team and captain and reform elsewhere for a push at AT.
Kat Ayclism
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2015-10-07 00:19:54 UTC
CAUSE WEEEEEEEEEEEE ARE THE CHAMPIONNNNSSSS MY FRIEEEEEENNNNNDDDDDDDDDDD!

AND WEEEEEEEEEE'LL KEEP ON FIGHTING TO THE EENNNNNDDDDDDDDD

NO TIME FOR LOSERRRSSS CAUSE WEEEEEE ARRRREEEE THE CHAAAAAMMMPPIIIIOOOOONNNSSSS

OF THE WORRRLLLLLLLLLLDDDDDDDDDD!!

I'd like to thank Neddy Fox, Dancul1001, Roddex, Doomchinchilla, and myself
Suck it, Space Jesus!
Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari
End of Life
#143 - 2015-10-07 00:27:45 UTC
CCP Logibro wrote:
Current Habit wrote:
What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it.


Skins have not been distributed yet, and in this case, they will not be receiving any. The number of match wins (and thus skins) for other teams will not be adjusted.

Icarus Narcissus wrote:
What does this do as far at the top 16 guaranteed to be in AT14? Will it now be top 14 or will two more teams have something to celebrate beyond victory for the greater good?


The teams previously placed 17 and 18 are now placed 15 and 16, and as such will be offered those positions (assuming we stick with them for next year)


Just curious, how are you going to determine who got 17th and 18th out of the teams that were knocked out in the same round (17th to 24th I believe)?
LYGIA
Van Diemen's Demise
Northern Coalition.
#144 - 2015-10-07 00:43:30 UTC
What do CCP think about fair play award(like football) as well? Does it really make sense?
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#145 - 2015-10-07 01:08:20 UTC
Please enjoy our new line of AT ads - https://youtu.be/LE0LuHzOT9M
Ion Udan
Stellar Ascent
#146 - 2015-10-07 01:12:03 UTC
Where is Bad Bobby in this thread? He was all up in the others.

As others have said, unfortunate for the line members who got screwed over by leadership. In Kadesh's FHC thread he says he's space rich. Perhaps he should have some balls and pony up some money to get his line members out of negative wallets. Would be a good gesture for whatever its worth to them.

So, glorious QEX brother steals potatoes from hisec.

Amber Starview
Doomheim
#147 - 2015-10-07 01:15:28 UTC
Thank you for coming to a decision and hopefully we can now move forward 😎 to more positive news (although I did feel it was a bit harsh your the boss )

P.s that video is lol
Jax Tellor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2015-10-07 01:23:03 UTC
Maybe Kadeshi princess will step up and reimburse all the rank and file pilots that got their ships and taken or wallets into negative because according to him hes a trillionaire

Nah betting that wont happen
Muzzaroo
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#149 - 2015-10-07 01:32:05 UTC
........its early but it looks like Popcorn for breakfast
CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#150 - 2015-10-07 01:40:00 UTC
Davis TetrisKing wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:
Current Habit wrote:
What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it.


Skins have not been distributed yet, and in this case, they will not be receiving any. The number of match wins (and thus skins) for other teams will not be adjusted.

Icarus Narcissus wrote:
What does this do as far at the top 16 guaranteed to be in AT14? Will it now be top 14 or will two more teams have something to celebrate beyond victory for the greater good?


The teams previously placed 17 and 18 are now placed 15 and 16, and as such will be offered those positions (assuming we stick with them for next year)


Just curious, how are you going to determine who got 17th and 18th out of the teams that were knocked out in the same round (17th to 24th I believe)?


We'll rank that group similarly to how we rank the other elimination groups to work out seeding order and take the top two in order.

CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics

@CCP_Logibro

Kat Ayclism
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2015-10-07 01:57:06 UTC
Any reason why Kadesh's admission to having a bunch of hacks for info gathering, etc... are still treated as just the captains? Or will there be an investigation into that?

Cause holy crap, what he dropped on fail-heap is a pretty big bomb of cheating that goes a lot deeper than just some collusion. I don't really feel safe in the face of that for future tournaments.
SaB0TaG3
TYR.
Exodus.
#152 - 2015-10-07 02:12:22 UTC
2nd.

Quick question about the ranking CCP Logibro, how is 3rd and 4th place prizes split 50/50, yet not 1st and 2nd? Exodus only placed where we did because we lost to a DQed team earlier. We never got to face PL. We were also technically undefeated. Just sayin'.

The saddest thing about all this is that they probably could have won anyways, and negative wallets are probably going to make some people quit that had nothing to do with all this.

Congrats to Tuskers and Nulli that are now in the prize pool.
Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari
End of Life
#153 - 2015-10-07 02:32:21 UTC
CCP Logibro wrote:
Davis TetrisKing wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:
Current Habit wrote:
What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it.


Skins have not been distributed yet, and in this case, they will not be receiving any. The number of match wins (and thus skins) for other teams will not be adjusted.

Icarus Narcissus wrote:
What does this do as far at the top 16 guaranteed to be in AT14? Will it now be top 14 or will two more teams have something to celebrate beyond victory for the greater good?


The teams previously placed 17 and 18 are now placed 15 and 16, and as such will be offered those positions (assuming we stick with them for next year)


Just curious, how are you going to determine who got 17th and 18th out of the teams that were knocked out in the same round (17th to 24th I believe)?


We'll rank that group similarly to how we rank the other elimination groups to work out seeding order and take the top two in order.


Interesting.


Also massive thanks for all the work you and the rest of CCP do Logibro.
Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari
End of Life
#154 - 2015-10-07 02:39:54 UTC
SaB0TaG3 wrote:
2nd.

Quick question about the ranking CCP Logibro, how is 3rd and 4th place prizes split 50/50, yet not 1st and 2nd? Exodus only placed where we did because we lost to a DQed team earlier. We never got to face PL. We were also technically undefeated. Just sayin'.

The saddest thing about all this is that they probably could have won anyways, and negative wallets are probably going to make some people quit that had nothing to do with all this.

Congrats to Tuskers and Nulli that are now in the prize pool.


Damn that's a fair question.

The obvious/easy solution is to do what they have done and just let all the results stand, remove the disqualified teams from the final results and then bump everyone up as appropriate. This doesn't account for all the bracket changes that would occur if the disqualified team had not played, so in the end the results aren't conclusive.

To me this means PL get the win, but that the results are not definitive. If I was you I'd happily be claiming to be a 'disputed but inconclusive equal 1st ATXIII team' or some **** like that.


I guess CCP just has to do the best job they can.
Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#155 - 2015-10-07 03:45:55 UTC
Davis TetrisKing wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:
Current Habit wrote:
What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it.


Skins have not been distributed yet, and in this case, they will not be receiving any. The number of match wins (and thus skins) for other teams will not be adjusted.

Icarus Narcissus wrote:
What does this do as far at the top 16 guaranteed to be in AT14? Will it now be top 14 or will two more teams have something to celebrate beyond victory for the greater good?


The teams previously placed 17 and 18 are now placed 15 and 16, and as such will be offered those positions (assuming we stick with them for next year)


Just curious, how are you going to determine who got 17th and 18th out of the teams that were knocked out in the same round (17th to 24th I believe)?


As Captain of a team that finished in the top 32, I'd be very interested in knowing if 2 teams will be bumped up to top 16 and therefore become seeded for next year's competition.

I write http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/

I post on reddit as /u/callduron.

Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#156 - 2015-10-07 03:58:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Leonardo Adami
Trinkets friend wrote:
Leonardo Adami wrote:
I think it's BS to punish those that didn't have any idea about the cheating. And even though they seem to have colluded amongst themselves they still wrecked everyone else.


Dear Warlords Q.Q Alt,

It is up to the players of any team to consider if they should devote their months of effort toward a team captain who may lead them to victory but do so illegally, forfeiting the efforts of the whole team (and in some cases, the whole alliance who bankrolls the effort)....or whether they should instead devote their efforts to a team and captain who won't waste all that effort and ISK of the whole team.

In the end, it is up to team members to demand their captains aren't cheating bastards. if their captains and other team members aren't prepared to play honestly right up until the end, then leave that alliance and team and captain and reform elsewhere for a push at AT.


Lol, I'm alt but not for warlords or hydra, or any body else that has a vested interest in the tournament. And I'm not QQ'n I'm stating my f'ing opinion.

Edited due to deleted bracket in quote.
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#157 - 2015-10-07 06:47:02 UTC
Negative selection at it's finest.
Let's ban those who actually try to perform and host special olympics the next time.
Seliah
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#158 - 2015-10-07 06:56:58 UTC
Damn it, PL wins again ! :P

Nice work swiftly resolving this issue CCP, it'll be interesting to see what changes are made to the AT rules to prevent this from happening again.
Eklykti
Zion foundation
#159 - 2015-10-07 08:17:53 UTC
There's no point in making another AT after this decision, so they will probably just make a forum tears championship instead of AT.
Stoffl
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2015-10-07 08:40:25 UTC
My sides have left the orbit