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Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2,510
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 2,510	#1 - 2015-09-24 12:16:47 UTC Might as well be first Is this backfilling, CCP?

Scipio Artelius

Weaponised Vegemite

Flying Dangerous

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#2 - 2015-09-24 12:34:04 UTC | Edited by: Scipio Artelius

Seems like a good move to me. I know CCP were looking at higher levels, so I guess they will watch what affect this has on making the NPE and or training into some basic fits, a bit easier.

If anyone is wondering where this is from, it's in the Vanguard patch notes:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-vanguard

Multi-buy next release too. \o/

Also an icon for your ship in space. \o/ \o/ http://i.imgur.com/hanZbPy.gifv (thanks /r/eve for the gif)

Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 26,573
Sibyyl Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation Likes received: 26,573	#3 - 2015-09-24 12:38:37 UTC 10 Training optimized to a remap without implants gives you 2M SP per month. 400k is nothing in comparison, but it helps the new player make more choices out of the gate. Seems like a decent move to me. Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Alcohol Fuelled 89
Raffael Ramirez Alcohol Fuelled Likes received: 89	#4 - 2015-09-24 12:40:05 UTC 1 Good move! Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.

State War Academy Caldari State 1,475
Yang Aurilen State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 1,475	#5 - 2015-09-24 12:41:37 UTC 19 Raffael Ramirez wrote: Good move! Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality. They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!" Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!


Raffael Ramirez Alcohol Fuelled Likes received: 89	#6 - 2015-09-24 12:45:33 UTC Yang Aurilen wrote: Raffael Ramirez wrote: Good move! Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality. They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!" Probably true.

Eternus8lux8lucis

Guardians of the Gate

RAZOR Alliance

Likes received: 1,623

#7 - 2015-09-24 12:46:21 UTC

Yang Aurilen wrote:

Raffael Ramirez wrote:

Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.

They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!"

So much this!! If I could like you I would but the buttons gone Sad

It doesnt matter where you come from or what you make, eventually youll become used to that level and simply want more. Its human nature. This will be the same way.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Lance Jamtonio

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#8 - 2015-09-24 12:54:59 UTC

I think 1m-1.5m would be better for them this will allow them to get some basic skills and jump into whatever field they are looking to pursue.... as really the only other starter activity atm is mining... sure you can do PVE but with the skills on week 1 you will still potentially struggle giving them abit more will be good move overall and allow people to get into the game faster.

afkalt

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 2,510

#9 - 2015-09-24 12:55:09 UTC

Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:

Yang Aurilen wrote:

Raffael Ramirez wrote:

Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.

They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!"

So much this!! If I could like you I would but the buttons gone Sad

It doesnt matter where you come from or what you make, eventually youll become used to that level and simply want more. Its human nature. This will be the same way.

But if it removes the blocks - say 5 hours to fit MWDs, for example - barriers lift.

Goals are fine, [pointless] barriers add nothing to NPE

Esrevid Nekkeg

Justified and Ancient

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#10 - 2015-09-24 12:57:52 UTC

So new players/characters get a small boost start? Good plan
Though the really important stuff gets mentioned twice in the patchnotes:

FEATURES & CHANGES :
Modules:
Festival Launchers no longer require launcher hardpoints

FIXES :
Gameplay:
Festival Launchers no longer require launcher hardpoints

Considering I have blown up several hundred million Isk worth of fireworks all over space in the past few years, just for fun and laughs, this is a good thing. More 'OOOOH!!! & AAAAH!' Big smile

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......

Soul Machines The Initiative. 16,192
Jenn aSide Soul Machines The Initiative. Likes received: 16,192	#11 - 2015-09-24 12:58:36 UTC 2 afkalt wrote: Might as well be first Is this backfilling, CCP? Another new motto! "CCP hf, not learning the lesson of Malcanis' Law since 2003"


afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 2,510	#12 - 2015-09-24 13:02:24 UTC Jenn aSide wrote: afkalt wrote: Might as well be first Is this backfilling, CCP? Another new motto! "CCP hf, not learning the lesson of Malcanis' Law since 2003" I'm interested to know if the alt I started last week gets a backfill - or if I should biomass and do over in a weeks time

Jenn aSide

Soul Machines

The Initiative.

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#13 - 2015-09-24 13:02:31 UTC

Yang Aurilen wrote:

Raffael Ramirez wrote:

Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.

They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!"

Exactly what will happen. Because the problem wasn't lack of skill points, it was lack of will.

It's exactly why doing things like getting rid of skill loss on death doesn't make people take more risks, the people who complained about it were never going to take more risk, they were jsut mentally 'saving face' by blaming something else for their dislike of taking risk.

Personally I don't care what CCP starts characters with in terms of skill points (it could be 5 million SP for all I care), just commenting on the futility of it all.

Eternus8lux8lucis

Guardians of the Gate

RAZOR Alliance

Likes received: 1,623

#14 - 2015-09-24 13:03:51 UTC

afkalt wrote:

Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:

Yang Aurilen wrote:

Raffael Ramirez wrote:

Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.

They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!"

So much this!! If I could like you I would but the buttons gone Sad

It doesnt matter where you come from or what you make, eventually youll become used to that level and simply want more. Its human nature. This will be the same way.

But if it removes the blocks - say 5 hours to fit MWDs, for example - barriers lift.

Goals are fine, [pointless] barriers add nothing to NPE

Those goals could just as easily be done through module balance though with civilian versions of the modules with less stats but also less fitting reqs. And then bpcs and modules could be given during the tutorials like they do now.

More SP mostly helps alt creation or those who already know the game or have people guiding them from the get go. Now people say that that isnt a bad thing and its not, but THAT is the only barrier... "you have to have such and such a fit or you cant do anything blah blah blah". Its not enjoy the game, ask questions, mess around and just ENJOY it for a week or two before you make any big plunge. Its instant gratification for morons imo.

And yes irregardless of what you give them the bar and goal posts will just be moved. That is why we complain about entitlement in the first place both in game and out of game. There is no more joy of the journey. Its I want to hop in and play at the "fun" level without any work, effort, or time involved. And the thing is if theyre THAT new they dont even actually know what fun is for them anyway.

So wanting to herd people into certain areas of the game faster shouldnt be a matter of handing them skill points. And thats always how Ill look at it. But then Im 2003, do everything for yourself and figure it out and enjoy it kinda player. Which I realize is the route less traveled. But I want to PWN N00Bs!!! Waaa!! Waaa!! I must be 1337 sucka mofos!! Waaa!! Waaa!! Seems to be more the way of things. Its about the journey not the destination.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

All Kill No Skill 14,071
Webvan All Kill No Skill Likes received: 14,071	#15 - 2015-09-24 13:15:13 UTC 2 dumb I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12


Yang Aurilen State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 1,475	#16 - 2015-09-24 13:15:40 UTC Did CCP say how they'll distribute the extra SP? Or is it EVERYTHING AT LEVEL I? Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!


afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 2,510	#17 - 2015-09-24 13:18:37 UTC 1 Old vs new. https://imgur.com/a/XQ23E#0 Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3m6re2/patch_notes_for_vanguard/cvch371 Not my work I assume missles lacking are because amarr.

Doctor Knuckles

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#18 - 2015-09-24 13:19:37 UTC

Yang Aurilen wrote:

Raffael Ramirez wrote:

Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.

They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!"

there's a big difference between having JDC V and cpu - pg - wu V and be able to fly the most basic shitfits without needing fitting rigs and implants out your ass

Elves In Space 377
Hir Miriel Elves In Space Likes received: 377	#19 - 2015-09-24 14:13:24 UTC afkalt wrote: Might as well be first Is this backfilling, CCP? Does that mean we all get 400,000? ~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~

Sunshine and Lollipops 27,526
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#20 - 2015-09-24 14:36:55 UTC 6 afkalt wrote: Old vs new. https://imgur.com/a/XQ23E#0 Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3m6re2/patch_notes_for_vanguard/cvch371 Not my work I assume missles lacking are because amarr. …so basically half of the first phase of my skill plan. I approve.