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This is a good thing, but I think we can agree that a proposed fix being sov-exclusive is bad for the three other play styles that use caps, as well as entrenching existing sov vs potential new sov.




Wormhole null-null travel was just severely nerfed. No one wants to return to the chaos of distance not meaning anything, where all fight possibilities are quickly exhausted and stagnation sets in, nor do people want to rot in the stagnation of capitals not being able to move. Maybe the WH force projection changes were good, maybe they weren't.

If I was going to do the gas station concept, it would be a permanent (until it is destroyed) structure which is owned by an alliance. It could be anchored in Low, Null, or NPC Null. While it is up, once per week the alliance executor can pick (one/two) regions (T1,T2) where capitals do not accrue fatigue of any kind. Hyperspatial Telemetry Array. Let's look what this does:

A)Conflict Flash Point. Tired of incessant hot drops? Want to be able to attack something that is meaningful? Well now can strike at an enemies mobility directly.

B)Allows attack and defence, but requires commitment. If you go on the attack, you get two regions where you get a get out of fatigue card, but this can only be changed so often, and not with enough frequency to respond to everything. If you want to do an invasion or deployment, you have some mobility now, as long as you broadcast this and stay committed.

C)Pressures coalitions. All alliances in a coalition could all set the same regions, but then they become less able to respond to things as they develop. If they set different regions to deal with defence as well as attack, then you have essentially split up the great cap herds. Suddenly the potential for chess, rather than checkers, dawns on capital warfare.

D)A system like this is not tied to sov. People could have fun with these in low or NPC null, where they could spark fights and extend spheres of influence and capital threats just far enough for fun, but not so far that it is wildly excessive. Changing it once per week really slows down how far you can go quickly.



These metrics aren't actually detailed enough to form educated hypothesis about it. Think about what BL self destructing 50 dreads does to these numbers, or people just blowing up their caps due to insurance or inability to move them now. You would need really detailed numbers to be able to say anything with confidence.

It's very similar to the damage graphs they released a bit ago, showing Battleships with the lion's share of the PVP damage dealt over a period of time. Looking at that graph, one would believe everyone is flying a battleship or BC, but we all know this is hilariously erroneous. Just providing a shallow figure alone without real data doesn't tell you anything - You can make graphs display whatever you want.

That being said, there are a few hotspots where capital ranges overlap and do have more potential for capital content than they used to, but that doesn't solve the issue of these being a select few locations, and almost all of them Lowsec, or very accessible sov space.

The propaganda to generate views and sell ads is pretty easy to see.

Still amazing that Goons think it's 2008 again and they're actually doing anything but boring the crap out of everyone.

I still don't see what problem this is a solution to

The problem with this is that it allows the same exact problem that caused the change in the first place, Large null-sec groups with massive super and capital fleets dropping on low-sec and small groups and offers no way for them to really fight back. Not only that, it favors people who are already setup far more than attacking groups because their capitals will have no fatigue and all of yours will have fatigue. So you take the already fortress sov by the fact that fatigue exist and all caps have limited range and make it stronger by saying "we give you this structure to remove your fatigue, now you can helicopter all around your space without worry".

Well, i can only repeat what i've said on page 5 or 6

- No jump fatigue for Carriers and Dreads, no matter the region of space
- No jump fatigue in your own Sov in the region your capitol is set for Jump Bridges, Black Ops and Titan Bridges, as long as they begin and end in your home region and your own sov.
- Normal jump fatigue for freighters, rorquals, supercapitals (incl. titans) and black ops BS
- reduced fuel bay/increased fuel consumption for all capitals to make max 10-15 LY.
- special fuel bay for strontium (1250 units seems fair)

1 - The curves are fine, I just don't see the point of having more than a couple of days. The goal is to stop having big guys teleporting around the map right? Just cap max fatigue at, let's say... 72 hours.
2 - No, character based makes more sense
3 - Dunno what you mean
4 - Jump Bridges are pretty much useless. Remove fatigue from JBs completely, but make JB's exclusive for alliances. That way, blocs can't use them to speed up deployments
5 - It was actually ok as it was before you nerfed WH's from null to null
6 - I'd rather face fatigue than being jumped with my pants down in a move op
7 - No methods for reducing fatigue. It adds unnecessary complexity
8 - Local content means you can fight in any of the adjacent regions. This is totally doable by gate and a couple of jumps

Other ideas:

- increase a couple of LY's range for capitals. It won't make people teleport all over the map but it'll make life easier
- Remove JDC skill and make the range a part of the hull. Either reimburse the SP or replace it with a Jump Fatigue reduction skill (less preferred option)

Somewhat, but not really?

It would give them 2 regions without fatigue, rather than 40 null regions plus lowsec. That's less than 5% of the mobility they had before Phoebe. Plus they can't be everywhere at once like they used to be - you have a much smaller window of places you can be within a time frame. it also broadcasts the en-threatened zones: don't fly there and you won't get hotdropped.

I live in null and didn't find it that big of a problem, but every low-sec group I talked to was telling me not of groups moving 5-6 regions to drop by literally 1-2 regions at most. Honestly I can't think of a good way of allowing capitals to be useful and not allowing dunking in lowsec. It almost seems you allow the ships to be useful and can be used as a movement method and dunking in one way or another, or you limit them so much they are useless but small groups are happy. I would much prefer the ability to have larger fights than what we currently have especially since moving ships, especially capitals, has become so painful I would rather quit than do an extended move op again.

I posted my suggestions here about a week ago . it prolly needs a few tweaks .

My suggestion thread of Jump fatigue

Okay. Jump fatigue. Power projection. Instant travel. Etc etc.

Is jump fatigue necessary?
Personally I think it is but should either be capped or reduced. It's a little too punishing at the minute.

Power projection (as in jump range) is probably about right at he minute.

Instant travel is where I feel there are problems.

I don't like how you can instantly travel many light years very quickly.
I would like a "Babylon 5" style jump method in which when you jump you enter hyperspace and have to travel to your "exit portal"
If travel wasn't instantaneous jump fatigue could probably be greatly reduced.
The way I would see it is that when a cyno is dropped and a portal generated a "wormhole like" link is created with a stretch of hyperspace between the two. When you jump into hyperspace there are two "celestial type" points and nothing else (a cool background like in the final part of the mission "recon").
You would then have the option to warp to your exit portal which would be x au's away depending on how far you have jumped.
Once you arrive at your exit portal you can jump through or warp back to your entrance portal.

All the time this is happening anyone at he cyno fields location can use your portal to jump into hyperspace and attempt to interdict the incoming fleet. Or fight in hyperspace instead.
Hyperspace would have hideous drawbacks to top speed but high agility modifiers to improve agility.


Just imagine. A single interdict or could jump into hyperspace and prevent the incoming capital fleet reaching the exit portal before the cyno ship is destroyed.

This kind of mechanic would remove instantaneous travel which means jump fatigue could be reduced or maybe even removed

How does this sound?