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THIS IS RARE...BUT IM WITH HIM....HMM....not really moa... just for the ICON thingy,,,

Looks like you will have to used to that crap what other choice do you have?? Oh wait there are 2:

1) CCP let you choose icons you want;
2) start play WOW

Maybe I was not clear enough with my previous statements about this, so let me try that again:

Developers know of their scaling limitations and openly admit it.
Developers only talk about scaling on an engine level in present and future.
Developers think the icons are good enough to be shipped.
Contradicting, developers don't think it was worth to create 3 additional sets of icons to work against the scaling issue. Not a single word from CCP about three additional scaled sets.

So what does this translate to?
1) "We aren't quite sure with the icons yet, so we just use one set and see how it goes out, maybe we have to change some"
2) "We are convinced our icons are good but don't have the time to make different UI scales because [insert reason] "
3) "We cannot create 3 additional sets because the overview is legacy code and we would need to rewrite it from the ground up"

If we look at 1) and if you are really not quite sure, then what stopped you from requesting more specific feedback? And what stopped you from making the icons alternative, like the starmap? From what I could see, the moment you made the new starmap default, it caused awareness to a lot more players which started to respond.
Special advice: add a popup window upon logging in that tells you of beta changes in the UI an where you can find those options to activate them.
Another Special advice: add an ingame feedback tool. You would be surprised of the amounts of proper feedback coming in.

Now if it was 2) then I would be sorely disappointed. Scaling to 3 different sets does not take much time. It does not. It really does not. It takes less time to create those 3 sets than the time it took to figure out how an icon should look and tinkering around with it's creation. Every single UI artist and graphics designer knows this. It takes an afternoon, if even.

If it was 3) then wouldn't it have been a much smarter choice to start with the roots and then add the icons? If you would be rewriting the overview code, you could as well rethink the placement of target brackets and tags and allowing more tabs and allowing to have a second overview window in place and so on and so forth. Might even look something like that except less cheap.

This is a good summary of my thoughts.

First impressions of the icons were not favourable personally, but I gave it a couple of days. Tried to make the best of it.

You asked us to give stories and explain our experiences, but ~everything~ in Eve is all the poorer for these icon changes. If I can't find a positive story to tell, that says something in itself.

Sorry CCP - it just hasn't worked.

You need to revert the icons and probably leave it as it was, move onto other priorities in the game.

Like the way you removed the Teams feature - call it a bust and move on.

Looks better on a large TV screen.

i want the old icons back,

im afraid since the majority of the community is saying the same. ccp has put on the wall module and are no longer paying any attention to this thread.

Please guys, it is clear that there are lots of situations we use scaling, and lots of player experiences you had not thought of before rolling out the new icons. They really do not work as a "one size fits all" development., and whatever happens need more work before they can be the primary and sole icon set.

Please give us something we can work with until this happens, the classic icon set can fulfil that role, if available as an option.
Thank you.

Two things I really need to get off my chest before I need to take a break from this topic:

Why is there so little asymmetrical design in the icons? Asymmetry effectively DOUBLES your icon real estate. It might even triple or quadruple it in certain cases, depending how you arrange variations. Asteroid and Ice BELTS could actually look like BELTS (centered, horizontal base in two variations) instead of this circular-ish blobblewobble in the middle again.

And I really don't understand all the space invader references. I mean... really. Deconstructive feedback yay or nay, but why there are only so many ways to use icons, and I really don't see that much of a similarity anyhow. and Space invaders is a classic!


Edit because yes:


Please provide what kind of activities you are doing in the game, please tell us what UI scale you are using, and please tell us what color and tag customizations you're applying to the interface. Thank you.

Hi
There is a new problem.

In old map once I switch in "map control panel" from solar system to star map, "map control panel" does not come back, so I can not switch back to solar system view. If you live in WH you know how terrible is that if you have to scan everyday new chain.

Now, why I do not use new map??
I use it quite often but only as star map, it is nice, but for scanning system I prefer old one, which doesn't lag, doesn't make a problems to catch and move group of probes etc.

If anyone know how to fix it, please halp.

Hate the new overview icons ... can't figure out relative sizes of the ships from these icons. Also, everything seems to be taking almost 1-2 minutes to load ... say if I dock at Amarr station, it takes all the textures and icons forever to load ... just keep getting that little spinning disk in lower left corner above timer. And I do have a fast connection.