Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Greetings,

Please leave as is.

I am against this change.

We're saying the same thing, I may have just worded it poorly. Trying to use my phone for forums is not ideal.

leave the **** alone.

When carrier sends fighters to someone, that someone needs to have the fighter skill trained up letting them manage 1 fighter per level which is going to mean most you'll see on 1 ceptor is 3-4 fighters so will need to spread their fighters over 3-4 people.

Carriers - which CCP have labelled on several occasions as logistical tools in the past, have first had their jump range kicked in the teeth…..and now you propose to kill one of the few things left that they are good for / makes them unique.

I agree – skynet is kinda gay, but its not game killing….i also agree there probably needs to be more risk and I like the idea of not being able to assign fighters within x km of POS shields.

Addendum: perhaps also make it that if the ship the fighters are delegated to dies, the fighters disengage. This offers opportunities to kill ships + fighters if the carrier pilot is not paying attention

Did you even consider that it (thanatos, with maximum skills, fitted for delegation) 1 carrier (15 fighters) still requires 4 actual people (5 fighters per * 3 + the carrier pilot) each of the 3 still only deals ~1000 DPS each + ship DPS…..of which in your crappy example (the shuttle) has none and in most cases is usually ****** frigates….and lets also consider the fact that in your example the shuttle didn’t have a point on the atron….that kind of rationalization boarders on “reductio ad absurdum“


It’s all good for you to ask for our opinions but the consensus rarely has any impact on the decisions you guys make, regardless of how much insist that it does (with things like CSM)

Sorry for the bluntness but no wonder your subscription numbers and activity seems to be in a state of decline

Yea, it's been said (a few dozen times now) but can't hurt to say it again.

That's the part that's really galling to me, it's super easy to see the cause of the problem (CCP's previous buffs to fighters) but rather than just fix what they created the idea here is to nix a unique and ancient game mechanic in and of itself didn't cause the problem.'

It just keeps happening. For example, in pve you used to be able to reset expedition timers by going to the system and warping to it. A very small number of people abused this by cargo scanning overseers and if they didn't like the loot, they'd just come back the next day and try again (everything resets at down time).

Was CCP's answer to this? Was it the common sense "make overseers unscannable blockade runners are" (ie the scalpel option)? Nope, it was get rid of the ability to reset all together. So now it don't matter that you get an escalation late into your session and want to come back later and reset so you can do it a couple days later. Now you got 24 hours, period, all because a FEW people abused something.

It's extremely lazy development policy if you ask me.

Before we nerf fighters some more, can we look at some of the things still needing to be fixed?

Fighter auto-agression only works on 1 target and then they turn idle.
Fighters were (In my opinion wrongly nerfed with scan res)
Albeit it, mostly a moot point now, but fighters are unable to be assigned in 0.4 systems (last i checked)


Scan res thread : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5530245#post5530245

Removing content should never be the goal, fix the problem not the mechanic.

Eg : Make fighters unable to be assigned if within 50 km of a star gate and Pos. (this goes for after they are assigned also)

fighters should definitely still warp, as they are more like frigs than drones and it adds a degree of difficulty to using them as well as fighting them. the question you were looking to answer was not "are fighters op" but "how do we stop skynet" so this is the answer i propose. Fighters should be able to be assigned to any other ship to control while ON GRID WITH THE CARRIER/SUPER! Once they leave that grid, they can longer issue an order to the fighters, who would return to the carrier after completed its final orders. Regular drones can be assisted so it isnt reasonable to say fighters have no right to be. A bs can assign drones to a frig to make up for lower scan res, a carrier should be able to do the same. Changing fighter assist to require both ships be on the same grid most definitely includes the amount of risk to a capital as you are intending, and it will lower the overall dominance skynet has over a system by requiring caps to stay more connected to the fight.

SIMPLEST solutions: Modules do not boost fighters/fighter bombers + fighters/fighter bombers do not follow enemy targets in warp.

Makes everyone happy, less dps, carriers/supercarriers still a bit useful...

Everyone copy paste to show CCP.

I know this is a hard concept to grasp for some of you.

Polite works far better then inarticulate swearing and insults. You are mad, we get that and do not need you to make any sexual references to prove that for you sex and anger are one and the same.

You don't like the changes? Some of you have done a fine job of suggesting alternatives or asking for lessening of the changes ot just voicing your concerns. Good.

Others, not so much.

Me? I am in favour of the change because I never think a person should be able to be totally uninvolved and still be a part of the on field force. I dislike off-grid boosting for the same reason.

But the fighters were a mechanic that was fine, for a while, but then became abused more and more. What did you expect? That since it was fine yesterday it must be fine today and always will be? The game changes, for the better or worse will show in the longer run. But if you want to be heard, if you want to have a single iota of a chance to be heard by CCP then keep it civil.

If what I said ticked you off . . . well, I am running for CSMX. Vote accordingly.

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There really is no wrong change. Sure status quo versus some new strategy yada yada. Somebody wins and someone else is always unhappy.

But removing fighter assist and especially warp does tend to make carriers into frontline capitals ships (dreadnaughts) instead of protected off main battle grid assets as they now need to be on-grid to see targets. So triage mode will probably become the normal mode of deployment and thus whoever loses battle will normally lose all carriers they brought, not just some.

That in turn may bring the Titan effect to any battle with many carriers at stake (i.e. battles don't break off when who will win overall battle should be clear but continues until one side actually loses all carriers). IDK if that is desirable or not. Probably longer battles but how much I won't guess. Perhaps more players forced to go AFK for work before ship dies. Or maybe EVE will just evolve smaller cheaper carriers and fighters as frontline ships to reduce ISK losses and keep typical battle lengths under control.

BUT if you want keep carriers as sometimes distant contributing targets to be hunted off-grid with their own separate battles to destroy/survive to parallel WWII carriers...
that rejected interference mechanic between POS shields and carriers fighter operational bandwidth still looks good.

Simplified version: knock base POS shields down 10% per fighter in operation within say 150 km of POS. Max fighters equal no base POS shield to help carrier. POS itself left more vulnerable as base points must regenerate after carrier stops fighter ops in range. Would certainly make people hesitate to conduct actual operation of carriers near shields of POS with real non-combat value. Not sure what the break even cost point would be for anchoring combat dedicated POS tower but it might be comparable to prices for better officer resist modules. After all as the number of fighters is reduced to keep more base POS shield, the effectiveness of the carrier DPS falls as well.

Alternative forms are possible if you want more spectacular risk-consequence: make that per fighter interference a chance of catastrophic shield energy release turn protection into an area effect bomb!!!