Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yeah, but then, God forbid they might sit in a safe spot! Goodness gracious I might even have to scan them down with probes! No way! Just remove any form of assistance! I should not have to do anything to get juicy cap kills that people invest huge time and ISK to build and fly! - Elite Carebear Harasser 2015

nah, too much work. I would rather cry on the forums.

Capitals in general have already taken the nerf bat the to balls with the overkill jump fatigue timers and stacking. Now CCP is taking the laziest possible way of "fixing" fighter assigning instead of actually doing it properly like they loosely out lined in an earlier post.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/balance-changes-coming-in-scylla ,scoll down to the picture of the nyx and read the first line of text. Then continue on in just that first paragraph where it says basiclly says 'screw the data'.

All this change will do is cause even more people to take a look at the accounts that have the carriers and thier carrier pilots and question why they even need to continue to keep that account active. Every person that has a super carrier has a highly skilled pilot locked into that 1 ship that, when these changes come into affect, will effectively remove super carriers from almost any form of game play in eve. Supers will have IHUBs, POCOs, SBUs, TCUs, Stations, and the very rare capital ship to be used against, all of which, in the current game mechanics, are better attacked with dreads that still have the ability to attack POSs.

Yes i do agree that fighter delegation needs to be looked. The ability for a fighter to follow its target to destination to continue the attack, even if the target warps off to a safe/unkown location that even us capsuleers have to scan down is a game/lore breaking mechanic. The ability for the fighters to warp with it's controlling ship (carrier or delegate) is a good thing since fighters travel at the speed of sludge to begin with.

The changes that i have read in the posts before mine that seem to be a mid-ground for both sides of the argument seem to be:

1. Ability to delegate fighters/bombers needs to be moved outside of POS safety/weapons
2. Remove Carrier module bonuses from assigned fighters/bombers
3. Remove the fighters 'magical' ability to follow a target that warps off to an unknown location
4. Only be able to assign the amount of fighters/bombers up to the delegate ship's maximum bandwidth
5. Players need to have the ability to web/scram/tackle/whatever the fighters preventing them from warping off grid

CCP needs to take an actual look at this issue, instead of just a brief glace long enough to line up the nerf bat again.

DO NOT REMOVE FIGHTER ASSIST!

I would say removal of fighter assist would kill the current carrier of eve. Be it a super-carrier or a carrier, the ability to assign fighters to other ships in a fleet gives the carriers a purpose on the field.

Removing the remote fighter assist would remove the purpose of the fighters themselves and belittle the use of the carriers.

Carriers already have had their jump range reduced which prevents a majority of their "force projection," removing their ability to assign fighters would reduce their ability to project force even more. Aside from that, carriers seem to be (as far as people I see using them) taking a more defensive role, that is being used to repel hostiles from home systems.

In any event, super carriers can no longer house drones because of their "fighter bay" not being able to handle them. (BS) And if they can no longer assign fighters, then they will be more limited in their use.

At this rate, you might as well just make eve a mmoba and drop everything else. Because the beauty of eve, for me personally, is the shear number of options available to us as the players. This mind-set of "we don't like how players are using this" is BS. Let people play how they want, simple as that.

hello eve-community and ccp,

you shouldn´t think about removing fighter assist to kick the older players in the ass, who spend a lot of time and isk to get this tool (supers) and to use it in combat situations. the main problem is the aggro-mechanic for players at a gate. you can use assisted fighters and you dont get any aggro and you can jump when ever you want. ccp should fix this.
the idea of removing fighter assist is bad for all smaller corps, cause this change will take away the possibility to fight against larger groups. bye bye content! if you want to use supers in the future with this change, smaller groups are forced to join larger corps or allys to get assist and the feeling of "save", when you bring this toy directly into the fighting area. BUT MANY PLAYERS DONT WANT TO JOIN THE POWERBLOCKS. it looks like, that this idea of change is only for the many paying player who are in such big communitys active and now they can kill more supers while the smaller ones have to warp these types of ships into the fight if they want to use it in the future. the other possibility is that this poor guys can sell the supers and delete the chars, cause for smaller communitys are supers useless. use a super one time away from your pos and pl or a other strong capfleet will be there for the second time. good job ccp.
using supers at a pos isn´t save at all. it´s still really dangerous and you field a lot of isk. also is a group with assigned fighter not unbeatable and it exist enough setups which are able to tank assisted fighters from more than 5 supers. fighters can be also called primary and can die really fast.

change the aggro mechanic! when you use assisted fighters you will get aggro like you use any other weapon.
don´t remove fighter assist for supers and carriers including fighters still should warp.

ccp shouldn´t argue with "...not meeting our standards for risk vs reward...", one accident double klick in space, and you can lose 30bil, 5 seconds too late with approaching the tower after a titan fleet jumps in -> you loose 30bil. cyno lightened directly next to your super and one of the incomming ships bumps you out of FF -> you loose 30bil!

ccp should rewrite it to -> "we just don't want players be able to use their supers if they aren't in one of the big alliances".

No fighter warping is essential.

What I think would make fighter and fighter bomber deployment more interesting is if fighter and fighter bomber warping / deployment could be done using a similar technique when placing probes to scan.

A screen similar to the probe scanner would be accessed where the carrier pilot could deploy her or his fighters and fighter bombers to an area of space. Once deployed the carrier pilot could set the fighter craft to patrol an area which would be determined by new skills. When patrolling an area of space the fighter could be set to engage or report the location of the target where the carrier pilot could then broadcast the location of the target to the rest of the fleet for the fleet to warp too.

With this new type of carrier function available I would have to think that a new type of carrier craft would need to be designed that would follow the tradition of World War II PBY Catalina's. The scout craft of the carrier would have larger detection range of the fighter and bombers but would be very slow to warp and would not have any weapons other than a moderate sensor ping that would disrupt targeting locks on ships destroyer sized and under.

http://www.history.com/videos/the-pby-a-plane-that-made-pilots-nervous#the-pby-a-plane-that-made-pilots-nervous

you obviously dont use carriers.

No one wants to say why cause they dont want to admit the use... And then give CCP a great idea to nerf it..

wait carriers are being used? NERF

For those that dont use carriers:

You have to be completely out of the shields to be able to assign fighters. It's been that way for a while now. There was a time when they could stick their nose out and assign. That time is no longer..

I would suggest maybe slowing carriers down more, lowering aggility, so it takes longer for them to return to shields rather than have to be a minimum distance from pos shields as there is already a min distance -you have to be out of the shields.

Those who are pansies and cant handle fighter aggro should figure out how to handle it rather than complain to CCP for them to change game mechanics to make it easier for them.

HTFU

im am so sick of 2 interceptors pointing me while getting hammered by fighters.

so yes yes yes yes and yes

no risk, no skill, only reward.

This would be more convincing if you weren't defending people who are unwilling to actually deploy their carriers on-grid.

Its not just carriers sitting on the edge of the FF :S and even those that are if they are doing it "properly" can get safe without having to move - hence the recommendation of disallowing fighter delegation inline with the cyno restrictions around POSes.

Carriers are supposed to have "over the horizon" capabilities as well as fleet support - taking away fighters being able to warp and be assigned would take away a part of what a carrier actually is.