Crime & Punishment

The very response you quoted contained the part you've ignored. Killing someone in a video game and going "nyah nyah I won" is not and has never been intended to invoke RL threats.

RL threats have no place in EVE or in any game and no in-game activity is ever a justifaction for making them.

This post, from my favorite CODE agent, merits a response. One of the more absurd and nonsensical claims that appears on this forum revolves around me somehow being an undercover code agent/recruiter/fundraiser. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am a resolute opponent of code, of ganking, of griefing, of scamming, of awoxxing, and of all other negative, illegal, and immoral activities in highsec. I've never engaged in such conduct, and have denounced it at every opportunity. I am one of the biggest advocates of a safer and friendlier highsec, where new players can work together to accumulate isk without getting curbstomped by griefers. I refused to purchase a code permit, and even declined one when offered for free.

As as Gorilla is concerned, I immediately identified him as a potential CODE supporter. People were shocked by my observations..how could I, Veers Belvar, a simple incursion runner, accuse Gorilla, an AG leader and anti-ganking FC of being an undercover code groupie. I took a lot of heat for what I said, and people accused me of being an undercover code agent trying to undermine faith in Gorilla. A common refrain was "Gorila spends all of his time fighting CODE and blowing up their ships, what exactly do you do? He is the real AG person here, not you." Oh, how much reality vindicates my instincts and judgement!

Inquiring minds (there must be at least a handful here!) might ask...Veers, how did you realize was secretly a bad guy when everyone else was convinced he was a hero? Folks, I'm gonna let you in on some secrets here. Gorila displayed all the emotional signs of a ganker supporter. Anger, frustration, poor grammar, and a biting sarcasm. There are two types of people who play this game. There are those who mine, run missions, run incursions, trade, etc... PvE focused players, and they enjoy collaborative and positive PvE play that revolves around working together to better the common good. Then there are folks who despise those I just mentioned. When they see people working together to have fun and make isk, they are filled with rage, and do everything they can to disrupt the fun, and spread misery and despair. Those are folks like James 315, like Loyalanon, and like all the other code supporters. Now Gorila on the face of things was a complicated fellow. He was angry and frustrated by the game, but he seemed to channel his efforts into shooting at the bad guys, so maybe he was a hero after all. But it can't be so...the angry players will always end up villains. Much like Anakin Skywalker...embracing the powers of the dark side ultimately leads to your corruption and ruin. Real AG folks are happy and cheerful, and play Eve to help others enjoy the game more. If you are constantly angry and frustrated, you will never achieve satisfaction in AG, and will end up joining CODE.

To wit, it was obvious to me from the getgo that Gorila was a double agent, even if he didn't know it himself! Here is the crux of the matter folks...if your highsec play revolves around PvP, you are probably going to end up in CODE. If you want to stay pure, avoid PvP and stick to PvE in highsec. The whole anti-gank fleet thing is just gonna end up recruiting people for CODE...it doesn't work, and it turns you into a villain. Don't do it. And to be clear, I'm not part of AG, so I speak here for myself, and only for myself.

As you frequently do Veers you have totally missed the mark. By your trolling, lack of Eve knowledge/mechanics, and sheer idiocy you are CODE.'s best agent ever. Everything Ima Wreckyou said is true. Thank you and keep up the good work!

No greater lie has ever been typed with a keyboard.

Oh god. I'm dying here. I've got no horse in this race, but man that is epic comedy right there.
I see you found yourself a fresh chicken.

Jesus Veers! Save the best jokes for last. I almost fell off my bloody chair!

It really is easy. I mean, all combat in Eve is just a matter of numbers, but the willfully ignorant in highsec just make it even easier by their own activities. That, I think, is the key point of the matter. There are plenty of intelligent miners, shuttle pilots, etc in Eve. You don't hear much from them, because they are going about the game, not getting blown up often, and having fun. The hypothetical anti-tanked AFK retriever in a belt is just putting out the big neon sign that says "I'm an easy mark, mug me!" You don't want to be an easy mark in Eve, you want to be the wary guy looking down all the dark alleyways, coz you never know when the big mean mugger (me) is lurking there waiting for someone.

Trust me, I still agree with Code and what they do. If blowing up a newbie early in the game teaches him or her to be more aware, it's a net gain for Eve overall. When you dig past all the humor and sarcasm of Code, you find out that's all it's saying: be alert, play Eve, don't just be a fixture no better than an NPC rat. Interact, don't just react.

I blow up the industrial ships, because that's where the ISK is for me. I've made no secret of the fact that, I sell mining stuff and implants. Every mining barge and pod that dies is a few more ISK in my pocket. Why wouldn't I support Code?

As for NPC membership and blank bio, I'm practicing the "you don't have to be in CODE to enforce The Code.". It's nothing bad, and purely for personal reasons. If you really want to find out why, just drop me an Eve-mail.

O....M....G...I almost lost it there. You are a real Narcissist aren't you Veers. Me me me...wow...you're good for a laugh though, I'll give you that...my stomach hurts from the outburts resulting from reading that little tidbit of comedy. +1 for making me laugh..I needed that.

The real joke here is CODE. After 500 billion isk lit on fire, endless rage, tears, and double agents, there is now more afk mining than ever. The organization has proven to be one of the biggest money sinks in the history of Eve online, and all while accomplishing not an iota of its mission. Code isn't supposed to be about getting guys like Gorila to backstab AG, it's supposed to be about fundamentally changing highsec and Eve...and in that it has failed spectacularly.

while i agree with this, i also disagree that people should intimidate people or make them feel shame for their chosen play style on "blogs" or places where all the purpose is to illicit the kind of attitude or action you are against.

don't want RL threats, keep the game in the game and the BS out of RL unless you want RL......BS.....shouldn't be hard to understand really. play however you want, gank, tank, or bank. it doesn't matter how you play, but when you are the ganker or the "winning side in one" and you start BS people out of game..... what Dafuq do you think will happen. SMFH.

it is like going up to a certain ethnic person and saying the n-word and then not expecting your head to be knocked off. now you can fight said person you caused "grief" to or you can be a colloquial term for cats. however going online in public domain outside of a game and making a fool of yourself.....the guy offended finds out........ really?> i mean really you don't expect some people to not be "balanced" in real life due to that sort of BS? i mean how could you not see it.....

are people blind? no.....didn't think so otherwise "EVE is not the game for you/them.....Slogan™" "EVE: the game for no one™"

play how you want but keep it in game, if you want your opponent to keep it in game acting like a ****** wit only means they have right to behave the same way......RL isn't a game, so quit acting like it is by posting crap outside of the game. unless you truly don't mind the kind of actions this thread is about

[which due to all the CODIES they seem to think counter to that based on their express opinion mentioned in this thread- example they don't think threats in RL is good, personally i don't think making game issues a RL issue, but those whom make the Game RL by insulting others based on their play style out of game should only expect some out of game consequences as that is what those in CODE. expect from everyone in game to not make it out of game which is rather hypocritical to say the least.......]


TLDR: in which to say why have an issue if you are part of the problem. if you don't want problems be part of the solution. the solution is keep it ingame.