Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because if I warp to a medium with a slasher in it for a GF, all I have to do is wait a few seconds to know if there is a pilgrim on the other side because he has to decloak PRIOR to me arriving in the plex to be able to lock me. Furthermore, said pilgrim has to be 30km+ (outside of pointrange) away from the beacon to cloak.

I'm actually pointing out the irrational prejudice of CCP but sure yea whatever.

Not even close. I would just like to point out that i have Recon and literally everything else to 5 in spaceship command. Ill fly whatever works. The problems i see come from how at the moment i have risk things to get content. With these recon changes i can effortlessly scout myself around and pick off targets with minimal effort risk or skill and a far greater conversion rate since people will get far less of a chance to run. My booster also has probes so im in the best possible position to exploit this. I dont disagree with this because it somehow spoils my game, i object because on larger scale fights where people have spies in each others fleets it makes no difference and the smaller scale things get the more OP it becomes.

Instead of putting words into peoples mouths you should really listen to what they say since it seems you have quite a lot to learn about debating (being unjustifiably patronising isnt winning), and about eve pvp too.

So I shouldn't be able to play solo forever as a PvPer is that what you're saying? Or are you saying I shouldn't be able to actively look for fights as a solo PvPer and should be instead forced to sit in my own plex baiting to look for fights (in which case i'm still getting ganked by pilgrims)?

What I assume your saying is I shouldn't limit my fighting to plexes? Do you know what happens when you try to fight on a gate -10? Oh so I just need to not be -10? Then why even have it if there's no way to continue playing once you're there (obviously -10 characters are into PvP).

It is the combination that will make it Combat Recons online. They won't be over utilized for Structure fights, but very rarely is solo/micro/small gang fighting done at a POS, etc.

At the end of the day I'll end up using Combat Recons like every other PVP pilot who has the SP. I also have a scout alt, and a combat prober so the world won't come crashing down for me, it's just sad.

Pubquiz, which cov ops cloak has no deactivation delay. Im looking for a ship class and bonus points for telling me why on earth would i be bothered by one of them tackling me.

Why are you even posting when you clearly dont have a full grasp of even the current mechanics?

So low sec only has gates and plexes, it doesn't have moons, planets, a star and billions of kilometers of space between those things. Hell someone call CCP and tell them low sec is broken lol.

This post is an example of a person rationalizing why their comfort zone MUST exist. People do this to convince themselves that they don't need to adapt because "there is only one reasnable way anyways, so I can't adapt even if I wanted to".

D-scan immunity changes very little. It costs very little on many ships to lnclude a scan probe launcher that lets you detect ANY uncloaked ship.

If d-scan immunity is so dangerous, how then do you deal with covert cloaked ships for which not amount of combat probes will help you.

I think it was you who said that the cloaked ship has to decloak BEFORE you get in the plex, right? Well, if you have scan probes out where he can see them, nothing changes at all.

Hell, you don't even have to scan, jsut launching the probes andhainvg them out where a Combat Recon pilot can see them on d-scan would cause enough psycoligical unertainty to give you an advantage. You and others would be able to think of these things if you weren't too invested in the status quo.

Thats like me saying you think communism sucks because you are too invested in the status quo.

No, communism just sucks.

Some things are just bad ideas.

Are you blatantly not reading anything anyone is posting? Also its quite clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all my algos/tristan/dessy/frig is not going to have the cpu for a probe launcher. Second what fights are going on at moons? None... or pos bashes... i'm not solo bashing a pos. And third the REASON that solo PvPers fight in plexes is not because that's all they know, it's because a plex has advantages for a solo player that open space does not (IE: you cannot warp to fleet mates outside or inside of a FW plex)

I should not have to have an alt to play "solo" in this game.

Okay, so I've only had time to read the first 29 pages of responses so far. And I think this entire thing is a very interesting topic indeed, from the top down. Lots of changes, lots of ideas, lots of excitement.

That said, after taking in all that and processing all of the arguments for either side, I'd like to offer up my opinion now on one thing.

The D-scan immunity. Yes, I saw the Dev post on page 38 that said it's staying. But I'd like to offer an idea, a perspective on what these ships do that might change a mind or two. Something to the combat recon that would serve it better instead of the d-scan immunity. It's a recon ship - any given race has two, so why don't we differentiate the roles more? The cloaky recon seems to be in a good spot overall with the upcoming changes. But with the combat recon, how's about we give it a role bonus for fitting an expanded core launcher plus signal strength on combat scanning probes?

This will diverge the roles of the two ships in these ways. 1: Cloaky recon will be out and about looking for targets, or someone specific. It's quiet, it's discreet, and can covert cyno in buddies if it has to.

The combat recon would be more forceful in its search. Being a sturdier and stronger ship with the coming upgrades, combine that with a better ability to fit and use combat scanners, and you have a ship that can aggressively hunt down prey. If we assume the removal of the d-scan immunity, this means that it is already more visible than its cloaky cousins, plus the explosion of combat scanner probes on the d-scan will be a further red alert to people in the area. Meaning it makes it easier for you to see them and get out of there, but only if you're paying attention. Because of his increased probe abilities, it's easier and faster for him to find YOU too. I'm imagining these things as inheriting the role of hunting down off-grid links, since they would then have the scanning power AND firepower to readily find and engage those command ships. Yes, other ships can scan down command ships which may or may not be made of glass depending on their fit, but smaller exploration frigates are not known for their massive firepower and you'd need a small army of them to take down a command ship before his reinforcements arrived.

So each race will have a covert, quiet, sneaky recon vessel, and an aggressive bloodhound-esque hunter recon vessel.

But hey that's just an idea. Maybe that's been presented in the other 30 pages I haven't gotten to yet (I will in due time, I have to get to sleep, then go to work, then head off for a short vacation so I won't be able to update myself on this topic for almost a week). No matter what happens with D-scan, I'm excited for the changes and even if there's a lot of voices opposing the d-scan immunity when it gets implemented, I'm certain in due time people will adapt and forget what all the noise was about in the first place.