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[Proteus - January] Recon ships

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Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1221 - 2014-12-20 17:25:21 UTC
hellokittyonline wrote:

Are you blatantly not reading anything anyone is posting? Also its quite clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all my algos/tristan/dessy/frig is not going to have the cpu for a probe launcher. Second what fights are going on at moons? None... or pos bashes... i'm not solo bashing a pos. And third the REASON that solo PvPers fight in plexes is not because that's all they know, it's because a plex has advantages for a solo player that open space does not (IE: you cannot warp to fleet mates outside or inside of a FW plex)

I should not have to have an alt to play "solo" in this game.



There it is. Talk to someone long enough, they will reveal the unreasonable sense of entitlement fueling their anger.

CCP never promised anyone they could play this game 100% the way they want to at all times. If they did, I'd be running incursions and C6 complexes solo lol. This is the actual truth of EVE, but if you want to 'solo', you still can, just figure out new ways to do it.

The fun part of games for well adjusted people is learning and doing new things and facing challenges (the fun part for maladjusted people is 'must win all the time'). What CCP is doing is going to be fun for lots of people. i'm sorry if you're not one of them but that's on you brother.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#1222 - 2014-12-20 17:31:40 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
hellokittyonline wrote:

Are you blatantly not reading anything anyone is posting? Also its quite clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all my algos/tristan/dessy/frig is not going to have the cpu for a probe launcher. Second what fights are going on at moons? None... or pos bashes... i'm not solo bashing a pos. And third the REASON that solo PvPers fight in plexes is not because that's all they know, it's because a plex has advantages for a solo player that open space does not (IE: you cannot warp to fleet mates outside or inside of a FW plex)

I should not have to have an alt to play "solo" in this game.



There it is. Talk to someone long enough, they will reveal the unreasonable sense of entitlement fueling their anger.

CCP never promised anyone they could play this game 100% the way they want to at all times. If they did, I'd be running incursions and C6 complexes solo lol. This is the actual truth of EVE, but if you want to 'solo', you still can, just figure out new ways to do it.

The fun part of games for well adjusted people is learning and doing new things and facing challenges (the fun part for maladjusted people is 'must win all the time'). What CCP is doing is going to be fun for lots of people. i'm sorry if you're not one of them but that's on you brother.


Thats the smarmiest argument for a bait and switch scam ive heard today.

CCP builds a game then changes a core rule and fanboys expect people not to question it lol.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1223 - 2014-12-20 17:33:58 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Impling that recons are a panacea for low sp toons to escape the tedium of being killed by kiters is so dumb im amazed you said it since recons are not well known for their low sp demands.


Good thing I didn't actually say that. What I said was that if the Chicken Littles are correct and somehow Recons not being unviable somehow ruins kiting, that it's not a bad thing because kiting chokes out the little guy, and discourages people from taking fights.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1224 - 2014-12-20 17:34:24 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:



Thats like me saying you think communism sucks because you are too invested in the status quo.

No, communism just sucks.

Some things are just bad ideas.



Ok, wat?

I'm not saying anything like that at all. The fact that you so strongly resist what I'm saying (and what CCP is doing to one ship class in introducing a mechanic that is measurable weaker than the existing mechainc of covert ops cloaks) demonstrates a deep investment in the status quo.

You claming that other posters beliefs are invalid due to their killboard stats (ie 'how succesful are you IN THE CURRENT STATUS QOU') is just another indicator lol.

Change happens. Not all of it is good, and ALL change has (good and bad) unintended consequneces. I generally don't like change. In this case, the change in question will add value to an underused ship class while only negatively affecting a very small subset of people who don't want to adapt (the people who adapt, like those who will incorporate scan probe launchers on their ships, will be fine).

That means that on-balance, most of the nay saying is just knee-jerk reactionary BS and CCP is safe (this time) to ignore it.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
Villore Accords
#1225 - 2014-12-20 17:35:02 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Pubquiz, which cov ops cloak has no deactivation delay. Im looking for a ship class and bonus points for telling me why on earth would i be bothered by one of them tackling me.


So you have yet to meet an ASB Stealth bomber that could hold you long enough for something else to decloak and kill you. Got it.

As i said, I get it, you don't like it. Tough for you, if history (of CCP and Rise) is the guide, this will happen. You choice is adapt or unsub.



Thus Combat Recons Online.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#1226 - 2014-12-20 17:36:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Impling that recons are a panacea for low sp toons to escape the tedium of being killed by kiters is so dumb im amazed you said it since recons are not well known for their low sp demands.


Good thing I didn't actually say that. What I said was that if the Chicken Littles are correct and somehow Recons not being unviable somehow ruins kiting, that it's not a bad thing because kiting chokes out the little guy, and discourages people from taking fights.



But recons that can warp in to a plex and create a 180km killzone dont kill new guys?, more than that they come with far less warning.

Pretty sure this is a magnification of your objection to kiting so ill assume you agree with me about ninja recons.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
Villore Accords
#1227 - 2014-12-20 17:37:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Impling that recons are a panacea for low sp toons to escape the tedium of being killed by kiters is so dumb im amazed you said it since recons are not well known for their low sp demands.


Good thing I didn't actually say that. What I said was that if the Chicken Littles are correct and somehow Recons not being unviable somehow ruins kiting, that it's not a bad thing because kiting chokes out the little guy, and discourages people from taking fights.



Sorry to burst your bubble, but kiting is the life blood for many of the little guys. It's one of the few ways they can even attempt to take a fight against the big boys.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#1228 - 2014-12-20 17:38:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Jenn aSide wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Pubquiz, which cov ops cloak has no deactivation delay. Im looking for a ship class and bonus points for telling me why on earth would i be bothered by one of them tackling me.


So you have yet to meet an ASB Stealth bomber that could hold you long enough for something else to decloak and kill you. Got it.

As i said, I get it, you don't like it. Tough for you, if history (of CCP and Rise) is the guide, this will happen. You choice is adapt or unsub.



A dual asb stealth bomber cannot scram anyone from 30km off the warp in where it would have to be to be able to cloak. So no, but do continue with your sage input.

As for cov ops cloak i can only assure you it is not even close to as strong as dscan immunity will be.
Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1229 - 2014-12-20 17:39:20 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
fanboys .



1st of all, no one is telling anyone to not question something. You can question all you like. In this case, your questioning isn't questioning, it's pleading a case for not adding value to combat recon ships.

Just wanted to illustrate the word In quoted. It's irratating when people use that word on a forum you have to PAY (either in plex or cash) to be able to post on. Somehow, people who use that word use it to suggest that others are blindly following CCP....while those same posters are blindly PAYING CCP MONEY.

If you don't like CCP (or specific devs like Rise) why in hell are you continuing to give them money that they can use to further screw you over in the game they make lol?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1230 - 2014-12-20 17:40:56 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Impling that recons are a panacea for low sp toons to escape the tedium of being killed by kiters is so dumb im amazed you said it since recons are not well known for their low sp demands.


Good thing I didn't actually say that. What I said was that if the Chicken Littles are correct and somehow Recons not being unviable somehow ruins kiting, that it's not a bad thing because kiting chokes out the little guy, and discourages people from taking fights.



But recons that can warp in to a plex and create a 180km killzone dont kill new guys?, more than that they come with far less warning.

Pretty sure this is a magnification of your objection to kiting so ill assume you agree with me about ninja recons.


What on earth is wrong with being hunted? That's a great thing, it will let people kill the freaking faction warfare farmers for once since their d-scan bots won't detect combat recons.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

hellokittyonline
Holey Rolling Empire
Drifters.
#1231 - 2014-12-20 17:41:42 UTC  |  Edited by: hellokittyonline
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
hellokittyonline wrote:

Are you blatantly not reading anything anyone is posting? Also its quite clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all my algos/tristan/dessy/frig is not going to have the cpu for a probe launcher. Second what fights are going on at moons? None... or pos bashes... i'm not solo bashing a pos. And third the REASON that solo PvPers fight in plexes is not because that's all they know, it's because a plex has advantages for a solo player that open space does not (IE: you cannot warp to fleet mates outside or inside of a FW plex)

I should not have to have an alt to play "solo" in this game.



There it is. Talk to someone long enough, they will reveal the unreasonable sense of entitlement fueling their anger.

CCP never promised anyone they could play this game 100% the way they want to at all times. If they did, I'd be running incursions and C6 complexes solo lol. This is the actual truth of EVE, but if you want to 'solo', you still can, just figure out new ways to do it.

The fun part of games for well adjusted people is learning and doing new things and facing challenges (the fun part for maladjusted people is 'must win all the time'). What CCP is doing is going to be fun for lots of people. i'm sorry if you're not one of them but that's on you brother.


Thats the smarmiest argument for a bait and switch scam ive heard today.

CCP builds a game then changes a core rule and fanboys expect people not to question it lol.


It's just a cop out because the argument I made was too strong and he/she has run out of ammunition due to his/her obvious lack of game knowledge.

If subbing another account is how I'm expected to "adapt" in this game then I'll see you in No Man's Sky.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1232 - 2014-12-20 17:43:31 UTC
hellokittyonline wrote:

It's just a cop out because the argument I made was too strong and he/she has run out of ammunition due to his/her obvious lack of game knowledge.

If subbing another account is what you call "adapting" then I'll see you in No Man's Sky.


I personally suggest Elite Dangerous instead.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Tuscor
13.
Enigma Project
#1233 - 2014-12-20 17:43:39 UTC
great changes, looking forward to them going live.

please stay strong on the scan immunity!

T
Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1234 - 2014-12-20 17:43:50 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Pubquiz, which cov ops cloak has no deactivation delay. Im looking for a ship class and bonus points for telling me why on earth would i be bothered by one of them tackling me.


So you have yet to meet an ASB Stealth bomber that could hold you long enough for something else to decloak and kill you. Got it.

As i said, I get it, you don't like it. Tough for you, if history (of CCP and Rise) is the guide, this will happen. You choice is adapt or unsub.



Thus Combat Recons Online.




Then bookmark this page. if that happens i'll come back here and say I was wrong.

Will you and the other take the same challenge? Sidenote, I offered the same challenge to the people in the Faction BS and Pirate ship reblance threads. Not.a.single.one has shown up to admit they were wrong yet, so i do't hold much hope here either.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
Villore Accords
#1235 - 2014-12-20 17:44:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Thanatos Marathon
FTFY

Kaarous Aldural wrote:
Gate camps, suicide ganking, and hot dropping people haven't been enough to wipe out solo/micro gang combat yet in FW. Why not see if un-dscannable Combat Recons with better stats can do the job? Even if it doesn't, at least we can keep those filthy solo pvpers out of medium and large plexes!
hellokittyonline
Holey Rolling Empire
Drifters.
#1236 - 2014-12-20 17:45:55 UTC  |  Edited by: hellokittyonline
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
hellokittyonline wrote:

It's just a cop out because the argument I made was too strong and he/she has run out of ammunition due to his/her obvious lack of game knowledge.

If subbing another account is what you call "adapting" then I'll see you in No Man's Sky.


I personally suggest Elite Dangerous instead.


They'll have to make some HEFTY changes to the multiplayer aspect of the game before I can justify spending money on it.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1237 - 2014-12-20 17:45:59 UTC
Besides, how in the name of Zeus does this "kill solo"?

It buffs solo a fair bit, since you can hunt people wtih Combat Recons now, with some actual potency. Hunting ratters for example just got a lot easier, ditto hunting wormhole bears.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
Villore Accords
#1238 - 2014-12-20 17:46:23 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Pubquiz, which cov ops cloak has no deactivation delay. Im looking for a ship class and bonus points for telling me why on earth would i be bothered by one of them tackling me.


So you have yet to meet an ASB Stealth bomber that could hold you long enough for something else to decloak and kill you. Got it.

As i said, I get it, you don't like it. Tough for you, if history (of CCP and Rise) is the guide, this will happen. You choice is adapt or unsub.



Thus Combat Recons Online.




Then bookmark this page. if that happens i'll come back here and say I was wrong.

Will you and the other take the same challenge? Sidenote, I offered the same challenge to the people in the Faction BS and Pirate ship reblance threads. Not.a.single.one has shown up to admit they were wrong yet, so i do't hold much hope here either.


Yup, I'll gladly eat crow if FW lowsec space doesn't turn into Combat Recons Online. I doubt it will expand beyond that a hell of a lot cuz HACs, BS's, and CAPs will still be better for structure fights. I have no idea about WH's as I've only just started exploring them myself.
Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1239 - 2014-12-20 17:46:25 UTC
hellokittyonline wrote:


It's just a cop out because the argument I made was too strong and he/she has run out of ammunition due to his/her obvious lack of game knowledge.

If subbing another account is how I'm expected to "adapt" in this game then I'll see you in No Man's Sky.


ROFL, I bet you're one of those "No Man's Sky is gonna kill EVE" types too.

Sidenote, going to play a game you actually like (until the No Man's Sky Devs rebalance you out of your comfort zone that is) is a great way to adapt Twisted .
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#1240 - 2014-12-20 17:46:28 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
fanboys .



1st of all, no one is telling anyone to not question something. You can question all you like. In this case, your questioning isn't questioning, it's pleading a case for not adding value to combat recon ships.

Just wanted to illustrate the word In quoted. It's irratating when people use that word on a forum you have to PAY (either in plex or cash) to be able to post on. Somehow, people who use that word use it to suggest that others are blindly following CCP....while those same posters are blindly PAYING CCP MONEY.

If you don't like CCP (or specific devs like Rise) why in hell are you continuing to give them money that they can use to further screw you over in the game they make lol?


Just like people complaining about incarna were just pleading for ccp to not add value to the game.

The major problem here is you are apologising for ccp decisions in a discussion thread. There really isnt any problem with you putting your opinion forwards about liking it. Many people have done so and peaced out of the thread.

The problem is that you seem to want to give feedback on other peoples feedback which makes you come off as a fan boy. You start an argument with someone then complain that they are arguing.

Its pretty sad but standard on most forums today.

And as i have already said, i will take advantage of these mechanics to the maximum. Exactly like i do with all other mechanics. Perhaps you capacity in game or imagination isnt as developed as mine but i can see this leading to a lot of pointless effortless ganks on a small pvp scale and a lot of fights are gonna come down to recon escalations if they have time to escalate at all.

Now, what would be better than misrepresenting what i am saying in yet another post, is you commenting here about how whatever changes ccp make you are there, a willing soldier, rain or shine ready to accept even the worst changes in mechanics and we can all get on with it :)