Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This might come a shock to the likes of you, but you aren't the only playerbase in EVE.

These changes are beyond amazing.

Recons online here we go.

Get ready for the majority of gangs to have combat recon points, webs, scrams, damps, neuts, and jams. There will be no reason to fly any other comp as a go to for lowsec.

You like fighting larger gangs outnumbered by using nano fits? Good luck, you are web'd into the ground.
You like fighting larger gangs outnumbered by using Remote Reps and strong tanks? Good luck, you are neuted and jammed.
You enjoy soloing in cruisers in Medium FW plexes? Get ready to lose a lot of cruisers while you gather intel on every single pilot in the region that can fly combat recons, by warping into the plex and getting your ship blown the hell up.

This change as it stands, and without knowing why they are implementing it, makes me very sad. Ishtar's Online was bad enough for PVPers, Combat Recons online will decimate many solo/small gang pvp options.

I see them in low sec all the time, but that doesn't count because its not nullblobs. If they're not in nullblobs they're not in the game according to CCP.

True, I have been killed like that once (actually there was a rifter baiting on the beacon of a medium fw plex), but that is a principal use of force recons.
You said in one of your posts above that combat recons will not have the same tactical advantages as cloaked force recons. I, and other people with me, where merely pointing out that it does in a number of situations. They are stepping on the toes of force recons, not totally outclassing them though.
I am happy to see that you do agree with that the dscan immunity is completely unneeded along with the tanking, fitting and cap boosts they are getting allready. As I said several posts back, they should be the EWAR equivalent of HACs. They will not have HAC lvl tanks as far as I can see, just the same resists (less armor/shield HP), which is fine since EWAR is tank too.

So you can't think far enough ahead to see what people would do with a ratting recon I see.

In many systems, anomalies spawn in certain areas reliably. So, find a crap one, kill some ships, and BOOM every time you do another (good) anomaly, there are wrecks on scan... in multiple places. You don't even need to do that much as anoms tend to spawn near planets, if that planet has belts, just go clear the belts and wrecks on scan (most pvprs don't know that belt rats ar different from anom rats).

And after you have been at it a while, there are wrecks all over anyways and they last for a couple hours. D-scan immunity and the fact that these 'ratting recons' can mount some 'gtfo ewar' will partially compensate for the slightly lower overall dps you can squeeze out of one of these new recons compared to proper hacs. The Curse will actually be king of the Ratting Recons because energy neuts slash an npcs 'chance to boost', making them more squishy (again compensating for the lower general dps).

If you can't see how this is going to be awesome, you have to blind.

Or, it was, before the last few ewar nerfs anyway. They are the intended long range counter to reps afterall, but somehow they have a third of their hitpoints or less.




Good. Having an entire ship class that was useless for anything but the training model for a T3 is a bad thing.




If those fleet comps are as toxic as kiting has become in this game, good.

I'm pretty open about this character basically being a forum alt for the longest time. Besides, you don't get on killmails as logi, which is what Kaarous has been for a while now until I joined Devils.

But hey, keep playing the killboard game like it means anything.

The bolded part is so funny I had to blod it again. It's one of those "it's funny becuase it's true" moments lol. CCP, why you don't let me like his post 1 million tmes huh?

People just aren't taking current conditions into account at all. It's like they are saying "OMG, now I will get tackled by a Curse I didn't see on D-scan (but could have seen if I had combat probes out) instead of the Pilgrim (that not even combat probes can pick up) that decloaked next to me, and that's terrible!!!"

I've seen some really nonsense thinking here in Features and Ideas (I wonder if all those guys who said the Navy Raven will be crap after losing it's RoF bonus and utility slot are still around to claim this lol), but this reaction to a change (d-scan immunity) that is inherently weaker than something that already exists (Covert Cloaks) is mind boggling.

Kiting is toxic? Kiting, counter kiting, manual piloting, baiting, hiding assets and numbers etc are all strategies at make eve pvp what it is. Invisibility to scans and the already powerful ewar profile of recons circumvent the need for any traditional pvp skills.

Saying that kiting locks low sp toons into certain death is stupid. Anyone with a mwd, scram and a mind to fit properly can have a go at a kite.

Impling that recons are a panacea for low sp toons to escape the tedium of being killed by kiters is so dumb im amazed you said it since recons are not well known for their low sp demands. All this does is limit the number of viable min/max doctrines to one for most people who cant or dont want to just blob the **** out of their target. It also means that large parts of the game are very easily locked out for solo and micro gang regardless of ship/sp (unless you bring your own recons lol)

You are all over the place in this thread and seem to be advocating for this as a generic ccp fanboy.

Also, dont mistake me. I like all the changes to recons to bring them into use. Just the scan immunity has a knock on effect that is arbitrary and will be very tedious.

Im sure someone like you would love to pvp by sitting somewhere and instalocking a frigate, neuting, jamming, pointing, and webbing it for an easy kill akin to a high sec gate camp but your disdain for kiting and pilot skill shines through in your earlier post and is really why you have no credibility.

Another also, im sure that in larger engagement this feature will play a minor roll, the problem is when you scale the same effect down to micro and solo activities that its just easily gonna be tarded.

Here let me break down your response from a solo PvPers perspective so maybe you'll better understand the attitude that we're ******* TIRED OF.


Because Nullblobs



Because **** solo and small gang PvPers they're a small portion of the playerbase anyways.



Because High-sec/Null-sec care-bear gankers.