Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Done that plenty of times. vOv

Doesn't make hisec less safe than nullsec, if you have to make basically every bad move in the book to get ganked, whereas in nullsec all you have to do is not pay attention for a few seconds at the wrong time.


Actually, and I thought I'd made this clear, what removing local (or removing certain ships from local) means is that while the cloakers don't have to be AFK, they also don't have to be present. The locals will have to basically have someone watching all the gates and wormholes all day, every day, and when (not if) they let someone cloaky through, they have no way of knowing whether or not that guy is gone, afk, or even logged out, or even if that one guy is actually multiple guys which have accumulated over time/slipped past the guards etc.

This doesn't matter to me, since I just go on fleet ops, so there can be as many cloakers as they can fit in the solar system, but I'm seeing it from the viewpoint of those who don't have hisec alts making tons of money in hisec, but try to actually make a living out there, and if they're going to have to put in as much effort just to keep safe as they would've done in a wormhole system, then they might as well move to wormhole systems and get some proper rewards for their risk. Or they can do what a lot of other former nullsec guys did, and go back to hisec and earn the same/more there. Which means an even emptier null than before it'll turn into cloakroam online.

Which is precisely why I'd love to see this change happen, precisely so I can point at these posts and say "See? told you so."

Mag's: I'm just going to point to my response to his post.

How about creating anti cloaking probes that require 2 or more players to use? These probes would be skill intensive and slower than regular probes.

Scanning a cloaked ship would become easier with more players scanning, and more difficult with fewer.

Cov ops would still be just as useful.. except you would no longer be perma cloaked and invincible. Stay too long in the same place and someone will eventually find you. This would get rid of lamer afk cloakers, and make using a cov ops require much more thinking and strategy.

I meant invincible as in "might as well be docked" invincible.

Said probes would need to be very skill intensive, only characters with beefy maxed scanning skills should be able to scan for cloaks.

You worry too much.

If they all have cloaks on, you won't see them.

Right, exactly my point cloakers have a lot risk already if they don't choose to just remain cloaked and do nothing. Changing Local Chat is about correctly balancing the game. the only "nerf" is to those that want 100% safe PvE in nullsec, which just shouldn't be in the first place. It isn't just a buff to cloakers it's also a buff to a player in any ship that wants to sneak about for surprise attack or avoidance. If anything removing Local Chat Intel opens up more ship types and player types to Nullsec.

I hate using the word "Carebear" it doesn't have any universal meaning, just more of an insult. If you mean players that want consensual or no PvP, think PvE should be free from any sort of PvP, that would like to see EVE become more Themepark and WoW like, then why consider them at all? They don't belong in a game that is supposedly a Sandbox type and PvP focused game. If they do come, which they always do, then it is they who must adapt, not the game. So let them go back to Empire, let them leave the game if they want, with appropriate changes EVE should attract more appropriate players to replace them.

I also don't know why you assume those that want Local changed haven't thought of the bigger picture or also supported changes in other aspects of the game that could be effected. Most want something to partially replace Local intel like an improved DScan, something that isn't 100% and effortless like Local, but is still useful, more so than the current DScan. As to Empire flooded with your "Carebear" refugees, personally I support heavy nerfs to Highsec ISK income that doesn't come with it's own set of risks like Faction Warfare. In terms of simplicity for CCP coders a Wardec nerf reversal and a huge tax hike on NPC corps would put the risk and a good dose of sandbox back into Empire.

So I just set a direction and speed and go. Also if you mean changing direction, easy enough to set up a program to stop my ship and set it to full speed again every so often. Bad idea's are bad no matter what spin you put on them.

Gingers Rock! Now on to something less important.

It's good that some people realize how rediculously easy it is to set up something to defeat there anti-cloaking ideas.

Ambushes, and tactics are needed to kill an afk cloaker...

Oh and more patience than them.

For those worried about this being used in W-Space - simple solution - make it not function in W-Space due to spatial distortions or something.

I'm all for removing local IF you allow for some form of self defense scanning - I'm talking about the ability to actively watch what is going on in exchange for a chance to see incoming hostiles. A possibility for this would be a high-slot module that actively pings the system every other second or so - issue being it's such a high powered pulse that anyone's warp drive can lock onto it, meaning it's also easier to get to you before you can escape. Adds more flavor to the game in that you need someone else scanning the system for you (which canbe fun if you set them just outside a POS shield - hostile warps to em and BAMF)

And gives you how many seconds' advance warning before you're tackled?

Even if we're talking about a cloaked ship warping to a bookmark they made earlier?