Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Not in a sence I feel is correct. If it was only the cov-ops ships that could use the cloaks to full effect I wouldn't have any problem with it. The fact that any ship can have a cloak and see everything going on around it is not a good balance. If the ships could get a limit to their field of view then I wouldn't have had any problems with it either.

And if you are solo and they have a gang prepared with a solid gameplan, you should die. Simple as that.

It's not changing Lord Zim. There isn't going to be a fix that allows you to safely warp around nullsec in a multi billion dollar ship farming endlessly with minimal risk. You are Goonswarm. To hear this from one within a corp with the absolute best chance at forming defensive fleets is sad. (The unity of the Swarm is awe inspiring)

I honestly lose respect I have for Goonies when I find multiple posts from every page with this transparent approach and opinion. Someone from your corp needs to tell you to harden the **** up and come back to reality. You have no right to safety and that's that. It doesn't require proof or validation. So i'm not going to waste time doing so. If you want safety, leave the Swarm and go back to hisec.

Stating the obvious intended mechanics in a question phrased to imply it's not as it should be doesn't make for a solid argument. I mean that as respectfully as it can be made while at the same time telling you sternly to stop crying.

Well, the cloaked ship would be limited to what it can see on DScan, with probes (that advertise his presence), or through the eyeball method, so there's the balance. They can't see local or use that as intel.

Sigh.

I've said this multiple times, I PVP in nullsec, my carebearing is in hisec because I judge the risk/reward to be much more conductive in hisec. I'm not arguing this for me, I'm arguing this for the carebears who are currently trying to make a living in nullsec, who will be the most affected by this. And when they're affected, so will the roamers because they'll have even fewer targets to choose from because the carebears who are less lazy than me will have moved their carebear alts to hisec as well.

Also, what I'm arguing isn't that there should be complete safety (there is none in nullsec, despite what many people will argue to get rid of local, it takes just a bit of inattentiveness at the wrong time to lose a ship, even if there are intel channels and local), what I'm arguing is that changes which will make the act of keeping even half the safety they have now take 10x as much work, without adding to the disadvantages the roamers/system campers have to endure, are unbalanced as ****. You'd go from the inhabitants having a slight advantage, to the roamers/system campers having a huge advantage.

Doesn't really take much coordination when it's just a matter of warping to belts or anoms and seeing what they can catch there.

I've said this multiple times, and I'll say it again, not giving inhabitants any way of noticing that they're being stalked just means that cloaked ships will become the roaming gang ship of the future, and carebears will leave for hisec, and nullsec will become even emptier and devoid of targets, which would benefit ... who?

You tell us. You're defending a system that would benefit the bots the most. People will make implilcations.

I understand the subtle difference but it would still essentially make cloakers a non issue to an alliance with covert ops hunters which will inevitably cut down on those who use covert ops which will inevitably lead to ISK farmers in alliances farming ISK risk free. And while it takes discipline to do the fact is it will happen which is unacceptable.

You're assuming that there will actually be people who find it fun to roam around an entire region, looking for invisible people who may or may not be there, 23.5/7. They may come through gates, they may come through wormholes, they may log in from a day before, they don't know, but they have to run around and look, all day, every day.

How long do you really think that'd go on before they just say **** it, go do l4s if you must make money?

I think they would do it until they reversed the change. Alliances would start by securing one system that couldnt be penetrated by cloakers. They would boost the alliance tax rate. The tax would pay for even more ships and security which would then be used to secure a second secure farming area. This would continue on until the insanity was stopped. And yes im positive "the Swarm" has contemplated this. Im all for a good plan, but cloaking is the trump card against 100% security and to make it an inconvenience that can be dealt with would have severe consequences.

"Renting secure null sec farming space, 5 billion per month, convo me!"

With C5 And C6 holes, you can reroll them within 5-6 minutes, meaning someone else can reroll them in 5-6 minutes to find you as well. Since there are only 113 C6s, theres a pretty high chance someone will roll into you. And also sleepers scram. So if your crew is running a site and someone rolls a hole into you, you gotta clear the wave as you try jump out before the next wave scrams you or you can just leave somebody. But good scouts and prepared groups can roll into your plexing system and find you in under a minute easily, and theres nothing you can do about it.

And the 3 bil isk ratting machs, yeah, seen alot of those in shadow of death space. Thats all they do besides losing poorly fit carriers and helping strange brew lose a Nyx to a wormhole corp..