Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Oh yes, PLEASE do that but for the Force Recons! No local would make them perfect solo and scout ships.

This is the best idea you ever had - which is an achievement by its own.
A combat recon or 2 in every FW medium complex will contribute a lot to the new player experience,

No, it will not. It won't change WH a lot as they have no local, so whenever you press scan in DS you see nothing, but there can be a fleet of CovOps T3 out there already. Nothing will Change really. And most WHrs already have Scouts on their wormholes, you see recons early enough. And using Recons as Scout, who can not cloak is probably a bad idea due to jump mass range issue.
Only difference: You just have to add 1x Combat Probes Scanning when you start until you have whole control. That's it. stupid, simple technique.

But this will heavily influence FW and lowsec PvP and PvE, especially solo, small gang work. Totally agree on that Point. And from my current Point of view that influence is too much!

Buff the Recons? Yes!

Make CR DS-immune? Don't do it.
It will unbalance things in bad way as there is literelly not much how you can counter that in lowsec. This has been described by others already in this topic!

PS: CCP, why do you nerf Pilgrim again? Eliminate the neut strength bonus is not worth the extra range! Keep the strength bonus and only increase the range a little bit (maybe just 10%). With regard to Neuting role the Pilgrim was fine as it is! No improvement is done by giving it more range, but limiting the Neuting Power.

because if someone is cloaked in a medium with their t1 frig bait, they have a locking delay to wait out while you leave, furthermore you cant cloak within 30km of the plex so they have to burn in (if only slightly it still matters ALLOT) to get a point on you.

nice essay

deimos has no utility high btw

Pilgrim:
Somehow I feel torn. On one hand, neut range is a big deal, and cloaky platform makes no exception. On the other hand, it won't be able to punch above its weight anymore (terms and conditions apply). The problem with the ship was that its usage was very niche though, so I don't know if that's really a big loss.
Curse seems to be all around better choice now that it trades cloaking ability for semi-cloak and all around better performance.
The only thing I see going for Pilgrim now is that you can have it decently armor tanked to go with armor logi gang while being capable to make use of bonused TD. Something tells me that some players would happily trade cloak for Curse neut bonuses though

D-scan immunity and WHs:
Well, if I were to ninja PvE in a wormhole, I'd be more concerned about cloaky Proteus or Loki, ones that were around like forever.
Granted, more people would do cloaky ganks now that force/combat recons are sturdier/sneakier since they are cheaper than T3s. Oh well. Probably not that much of a difference now that I think about it.

I think that as far as ganking concerned, in practice combat recons changes will impact k-space more, depending on what regions we are talking about.

I think this should be tried. Reserving the idea of making them visible at short ranges (under 1 AU) may be good, unless they are specifically designed to be flown offensively and pounce-tackling flat-footed pilots.


Yeah, having to guess between 4 types of EWAR cruisers will surely lower their visibility...

Cyno synergy:
How do you feel about slightly buffing time reduction, maybe at least to -62,5%; -85% ? I always felt there's so little reason to use recons to actually cyno due to risks and costs. It doesn't do much in return for that tbh. Nice for those who don't have spare character for dedicated CovOps ofc, but I'd rather see more reason to go this route over just lacking whelp toon (I use the term loosely here)


And how exactly inflation and ISK faucets affect availability of long-present things that are built with materials?
Please.


With most of such posters pointing out different ways to fit and use those ships. So, working as intended, I guess?


What was changed though? Anoms were always warpable, sites still have to be scanned down, ECCM "stealthing" could always be sidestepped by using core probes unless we're talking about missions (where ECCM works). I feel I'm missing something. Maybe you mean grav sigs -> ore anoms change...

Also, about Curse tank, is it indeed so bad if you really need to fit armor and TDs, considering that we are getting full T2 resistance profile? I think we're looking at 55k+ ehp fairly easily - I mean, shield tanked one we have today is less tanky than that IIRC. But it's nice to have an option.

You clearly have the IQ of a squirrel because I said nothing about the availability and was obviously talking about the frequency of use. Notice I said "T3s becoming overused" and not "T3s becoming more available".

But to answer your question, when a pimped t3 suddenly costs $15 instead of $30 you better believe you're going to see more of them.

Much <3, but you know how plexing mechanisms work in FW, right?

A few things.

Rook needs another low. either for another powergrid mod or more armor tank. take a high slot and move it to a low. Also I feel that the rook needs a ecm range bonus to remain competitive. a 20% strength and 10% range bonus would fit really nicely if you dont want it to be to powerful.


Pilgrim was actually really good with the amount bonus, but range is also needed, so maybe a 10% amount and 30% range?. The real issue with the ship, (and the curse) is that tracking disruption only work on 3 of eve's weapon systems. So I would look into actually having them affect missiles and drones in some way. This would go a long way to making all TD bonused ships be better and actually useful. Would likely have to nerf TD a bit and buff the specialist ships like you did ecm and damps tho, but I think we would all be ok with this.

Finally the big pink flame engulfed elephant in the room. This D-scan immunity thing..... Its a really bad idea as presented.
The main problem I find with it is how it basically destroys all trust in d-scan as a intel inference tool, with no real way to counter it. Combat probes while they do work require either a gimpfit or a specialist ship to fit them. Also there is no choices in the matter, no draw backs in it. The only other thing we have that is dscan immune is the sensor inhibitor, which is so costly and has so many draw backs that its a very useful but also extremely niche tool. In your proposed state implementing it would be bad for the over all health of the game and would add unenjoyable complexity to the system.

:shrug: Don't sit at zero on the beacon. You will see them as soon as they land on grid.

Perfect intel is bad, just like perfect stealth is bad.