Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its more you landing on their grid that's the cause of my concern

They will be the Spiders of EVE. I cant wait.

Not being able to rely on D-Scan = EVE Broken.

This is an act of complete stupidity and needs to be re-thought out.

EVE players need tools they can rely on to interact with the environment and the community. Taking such a basic fundamental mechanic and making its reliability questionable is a big step in the wrong direction.

Providing one ship class with this kind of immunity makes them completely OP straight away. In fact its game breaking with certain mechanics; if CCP progresses with this lunacy it puts another significant nail in the coffin of small gang/small scale PVP.

Remember when the falcon was OP?? Well the rook will be the new problem.... in fact every combat recon will be a problem.


This is such a bad idea, my respect for the rebalance team for even considering this stupidity has dropped a great deal. You were doing so well too........

You are correct, but those that don't fit stabs should not really worry about 100% chance of a fight inside the plex.

People are freaking out about this non-D-scan feature.

One set of ships. Four ships in all. That's it.

You guys act like now, everywhere you turn, Recons are gonna be popping out of space like daisies.

Why don't we just make cov ops cloaks detectable by Dscan but not visually? Because that's totally too much too. I mean, I warp into a medium and I don't know how many cloaky ships could be in there!!! That'll totally kill my solo ability. Why would I take any fight when they could be anywhere? Why wouldn't everybody have a cloaky alt sitting with all four races to protect their Thorax in a medium plex?


As someone who actually flies solo combat recon, I love this. If this gets the axe because a lot of whiny "soloers" don't like the risk of taking a fight, then I'll be really really disappointed in the pansy ass attitude of some of the "pro pvpers" in this game.

Look. Outside of FW, you can already warp cloaky ships to combat sites or planets or whatever and drop on people via that. Inside FW, this change only really effects medium plexes and, in a much more limited way, larges (since you can warp at range to a large and scout it first). This isn't going to be a game breaker, you guys are just being babies about it.

So, who wants to buy me a curse?

Also worth pointing out that this invalidates many guerrilla warfare techniques that solo and smaller entitys use to engage larger groups. One technique is warping to a different celestial in a system and engaging there, hoping the enemy forces are split up, and you can guage by the directional scanner what is following you and their arrival time roughly, with these new combat recons that is thrown out of the window entirely, even if a cloaked recon follows you they have to suffer from 5 second decloak timer+lock time, and the fact that they tend to be more vulnerable and bring less DPS than the combat varients, which gives you more counterplay, and time to try and disengage or kill your target before it can influence the fight, I really dislike taking away this ability.

Complex/Site/Mission runners will now need a mandatory alt watching the entrance of their plex, if you were vigilant with directional scanner you could detect covert ops invaders and the cloaking delay gives you time to try and escape or fight.

FW will probably be hit hardest by this, you see a t1 cruiser in a medium plex on d-scan, great, you go in with your cruiser, then find a curse and 2 rooks on grid. Likewise, you could be in a t1 Cruiser, see another t1 cruiser come in so decide to stay and fight. then 2 rooks come in and it's gg and you couldn't possibly prevent it without having an alt watching the entrance. A combat recon could also capture plexes without anyone ever knowing about it unless there is someone watching the inside constantly, which invalidates a lot of FW sieging and defensive plexing.

I only see this ability being used to gank people who can't possibly scout these ganks, unless they have meta knowledge, which is a lot like hotdrops (Which is one of the reasons why you nerfed long distance travel and jump bridge ranges to curtail this type of gameplay)

This ability is not useful to solo/small gang players who roam to engage other players in nullsec, and possibly more organised lowsec, since they'll quickly be reported in intel and as soon as a combat recon is spotted they know you're in one when they see your character in local and just leave whatever they're doing assuming you're there. this ability is not useful to large fleets who are scouted anyway, and are large enough that they can't really hide their shiptypes, and would probably prefer their recon pilots had covert cloak + cynosural field bonus for escalation potential.

I feel like this ability only punishes solo/small gang players

I was intending to spend more time in Stain, however once that D-scan change kicks in I don't think I will bother.for me the Lachesis becomes a game breaker as a solo operator, its not a whine on my part, but there was little reason for me to go back to NPC 0.0 as it is, but that ship will just be too OTT.

I operate in systems with other people in them, cloaky ships are of course one issue, but often the time delay for getting a lock is the thing that gets me out, an interceptor I can blap, but the Lachesis does not need a close warp in and as soon as it arrives it starts locking. I want a chance to get out, I am not interested in certain death, sorry but that is a game breaker for me and the pity is that the changes you were making had enticed me back.

What is your reasoning? Is it to aid the people who cannot deal with local, give them an instant I win ship against people who are able to operate because they are concentrating and using strategies that make them difficult to catch, like being away from the warp in in belts.

Belt ratting is dead mostly after the nerf to re-processing, but for me that kills it for me, all someone has to do is jump in a Lachesis and I am toast. I play Eve to be hard to kill and I have fun in the game by operating in crap space and giving people the run around and pick them off if I can, this breaks the game for me, so I can't see it working for me, so will be de-subbing if that is applied, I am sorry and I have to say again its a pity as all the recent changes had brought me back.

Lol, pilgrim and arazu have cloaking bonuses.

Lachesis and curse are what you mean.

You shouldn't even be commenting on recons if you don't even know the difference between them.

Immunity to Dscan seems overkill to be honest, I'd still use the ships as you linked them without that feature.

I am not sure how thorough CCPs analysis of the implications that this would have have been, but my instant reaction to reading the immunity to dscan is that it will probably be scrapped before the changes go live.

That being said, as a recon user myself, I'm intrigued as to the amount of possibilities that this would throw open if it really does go ahead. And it would certainly set recons apart from T3s that is for sure.

I'm not putting much faith though on the possibility that this will actually make it to tranquillity, will have to see it to believe it.