Warfare & Tactics

If others could propose feedback as well on how to best curb the LP farming and lean rewards towards pvp pilots a bit more, while drastically helping the southern faction war become better in line with the more vibrant northern faction warzone, and lastly some QoL changes.

1) Forbid access of all t2/3 hulls from entering FW mission complexes. Not outpost objectives, but agent MISSION acceleration gate restrictions as seen in the details before accepting normal missions.

2) Dual timers that tick back when idle. One for the offensive side and another for the defensive side, both frozen as the single one does now when enagements are within the 30km radius.

3) The formula for the payout of a D-plex: Plex size > LP BASE * (%Contested /100 ) * 0.75. If i'm not mistaken. Reduce the final computation to .50, have the system donate the phantom LP that is lost in the balance calculation to the Ihub.
This will end the need - the supposed need - of farmers that are seen as the helping hand of the plexing machine when a faction is tier 3 or above and help us maintain higher tiers both in remote systems and at home systems by simply Dplexing. It will also give us a reason to get rid of the spare plexes in home systems, instead of running them to get them off of the overview with little benefit to the most dedicated pilots that try their best to keep a system stable and from bleeding. Not to mention it will save us tons of LP in donations.

4) Add a massive cap drain on warp activation on the Warp Core Stabilizer module itself. That way these fits get trolled with a flat tire every 5 AU's trying to make warp with, say, the stacked penalties of having three stabs on. That should slow farming down nicely in a great FML way, while giving the increased warp core stability a nice semi realistic setback and keeping the actual effectiveness of the module (something people PO'ed have not admitted) intact.

Most definitely, but during off hours and before the NPC buff, there used to be solo Russian Condors that would plex all night in Heyd, OMS, or Lad.

And, honestly, I've never really tried to ask any to vacate. ::scratches head::

Ultimately, I want the upgrade system to do SOMEthing for pvp. Not many of us use the indie slots.

The extermination of SB's from low would make a massive impact on brother militias, where these bombers infest space and the reason half their plexes are empty.

I would just reduce the bonus to LP from FW Tiers and then see how much of an effect that has.

You do not need 150% bonus at Tier 4 for your LP (250% payout it too much).

However, the penalty to LP at Tier 1 is foolish and should be removed.

The payout should be around 100% at 1, 120% at 2, 140% at 3, 165% at 4 and 185% at 5.

You then get a discount on something instead (perhaps a discount on tags required in the LP Store).

Then see how many actually want to jump in and run missions for the "winning" side.

I haven't really introduced anything new pvp-wise in any of this, just uber nerfs to solo LP gains.

Ah. Ye, the indie buffs are cool, but these npc's could really f* with offensives and make donations more relevant besides upping tiers.

I see a lot less of farmers nowadays. I think it's thanks to the active tank the rats have now. I'd guess it's harder to break that tank with 4x WCS punisher

You're kicking a dead horse trying to nerf the income for low SP characters that cannot do missions (while you can - for a lot more than they can make lol).

I think most of them won't be arsed to stay with the game anyway (dunno why - I meet quite a lot of newbies and I'm getting a suspicion they rage quit when confronted with endless timer starring. I enjoy that part of game - allows me to listen to e radios \o/), but for the sake of those that do - I hope plexing will remain to be a steady source of income to those that need it.

Some people are so fixated on farmers they forget normal people farm too. I always wonder how they make their money in game.

If he thinks the farmers are bad now he should have come around before they changed the rats.

The FW missions farmers are of little to no concern because they don't really impact warzone control. Besides, getting a friend and running htem in VNIs or Ishtars is so much faster, that I am honestly surprised at how many people still use bombers.

If you really want to stop farmers, ban the Venture from plexes, and increase the DPS check on medium and large plexes.

the problem with this idea is it would nuke the incentive to dplex, which becomes a necessary activity at T3-T4 when there are more systems to defend than to attack. it's already virtually impossible to keep up momentum at T4 even with the current payout structure, it's likely that your idea would lead to a permanent stalemate because the incentive to lead a push just wouldn't be strong enough. the current boom-and-bust cycle is not really so bad when you think about how it enables PvP dynamics, levelling the field would just make for a boring status quo.

1. Why? Has zero impact upon occupancy (the only reason why farmers were/are an issue), and cuts down on traffic into low-sec because literally nobody will bother running them.

2. No. There are already methods in place for dissuading farmers from running plexes in a system, and it involves the current timer mechanics. Rollbacks only encourage the use of neutral parties (alts or otherwise) to keep people from running down a plex by repeatedly chasing them out. The timer isn't the issue.

3. Dropping the LP bonuses per tier is a much more efficient way of reducing the attractiveness of FW for making isk. It isn't until a faction reaches T3+ that farmers swarm to cash in. Reducing the payout per plex across all tiers only makes defensive plexing less worthwhile at lower tiers, which is when it is usually needed most.

4. Not a terrible idea, the current system upgrades are largely useless.

Said it before, and I'll say it again: Ban WCS from FW plexes. There goes 50% of your problem. Make offensive and defensive plexing equal in terms of effort (killing rats in both) covers the other 50%.