EVE General Discussion

I really hope you haven't stopped taking the praise personally.

Dude, I think he was joking.

Aside from that now I have a month of fuel sitting idle in blocks that I had ready for the original date, yes. Was not planning the budget on having to buy another month of fuel NOW . :grumbledygrumpgrump: It would be nice if we could use both until that magical moment the unprepared have become prepared and are ready with the rest of us.

Learn from CL&P - It's ok to be late as long as you don't promise to be early ;)

Too much QQ.

A bit late commenting on this thread but.....

Considering the importance you place on not hosing CCP employee holidays, perhaps a way of showing respect to your players holiday schedules would be the following:

As a holiday gift and a mia culpa, turn off POS fuel consumption for 2-4 weeks to give people time to adapt to the new realitites. This gives people a chance to:

• Produce more raw fuel
• Move more raw fuel
• Not get prison raped on market prices which will now be jacked up even more now that people know there will be an even bigger shortage.
• Not have their holiday breaks / preparation time spent to date wasted.

I for one have been very happy with recent changes. It is unfortunate that issues like this tarnish recent progress. However considering CCP's track record with the customer base the last 2+ years something more than "We are REALLY sorry, see you in 4 weeks" would be appreciated.

Disabling the fuel consumption, one would think, should be a relatively low impact code change (speaking as someone who has never looked at the POS spaghetti code)

Thanks,
Acks
RONA Directorate

Anyone in here who would say anyone should not have Xmas off should sort themselves out.it is an argument brought by frustration, and believe this argument should be taken with a pinch os salt.

However CCP, staffing holidays should have been planed in advance. Which means the switchover should have never been planned to take place before Xmas.

Market volatility has already been mentioned. And yes during the POS happy time it was mentioned that switchover would probably take place within 2 weeks.

You guys have made a fantastic patch, and you deserve a holiday. But you have fallen into the same trap that this expansion was trying to recover. Which was basically lack of clear communication. Without any other communication industrial pilots had to assume the time span given.

There has been too much going on at once that's made fuel market to volatile, and this is just magnifying it. There is nothing we can do about the switchover, if it doesn't work it doesn't work. But find a simple way to not punish the pilots (majority) that planned and put in the effort to prepare for this switchover. Half the fuel cost for all POSs, surely this is just a simple procedure and editing quantity numbers in POS code, and shouldnt cause any major work. Could be wrong :-)

And?

A fix to avoid exploitation if it is really needed could be to make it for current towers only. Complicates the matter but there ya go. Point of my post being that CCP's issues with their plans are not being allowed to impact their finances or holiday time off. The same consideration should be given to the players.

I only have to deal with one POS ATM but I have had to manage dozens in the past. The amount of work, fuel and isk needed to compensate for this shift is not minor.

Add in the WH factor and this gets 10x worse. Those who argue that people in a WH only have to deal with 1 POS and should not complain clearly have not really lived in a WH unless it was only with 2 or 3 other people. Most serious WH corps have multiple towers. It is necessary evil of WH living with a corp of any size.

If this were occuring during non "holiday" time it would still be a major annoyance but it would at least be much more manageable from a time / manpower perspective.

I do not feel like CCP should cancel anyones holiday break and make them stay and work. But likewise I don't think that players with a large POS investment who planned ahead and manufactured and staged new fuels should now have this dumped on them. They are faced with the choice of spending a LOT of time and isk quickly to offset this or it is "Pinata" time.

My idea may not be the right one but "Sorry see you in 4 weeks" is also far from a balanced approach to spreading the pain this "hiccup" is causing.

You get payed for what you do, we do not. There is a big difference here and you should not even be making that comparison.

Its true its a mess hopefully by Tuesday with the patch windows will pin(works on Sisi), Bookmark fix will be tested and implemented not yet on Sisi but in work per a Dev, and POS fuel bays will be doubled in size to ease the pain.( entered into the development code but not yet on Sisi) has to be QAed first.
So things are looking up. Maybe

The smart choice given the speed that you can make fuel would have been to get 1 week of blocks and keep the rest liquid. If you're running hundreds of POSes, I can see where that would be barely tenable, but running that many POSes is going to be nightmarish no matter how you do it, so a couple extra kicks in the nuts shouldn't hurt too much.

I currently help manage about a dozen POSes. We have a week of blocks sitting in stations, ready to be ignored until it's time to put them in a few days before the switch.

Coding, Testing etc on making the POSes not consume fuel (which currently runs on the same mechanism that runs every other timed activity [i.e. reactions]) would likely either be harder than switching early, or just pause all reactions and mining for the duration. Neither are good results. And making it only apply to currently up POSes just combines the worst of both worlds.

I say, Thank you for Crucible, have a nice winter vacation, and come back rested in January. o/


P.S. Except you, Mac Devs. I really would love a stable client for christmas...


P.P.S. Ok, Mac Devs, I'll work around it. Have a great holiday as well.