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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#761 - 2014-08-31 17:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Demonfist wrote:
i could never be as nonsensical as you, troll. Roll
You're wrong and you know it, you've now stooped to the level of a toddler throwing a tantrum.

When you can demonstrate that you have an understanding of how the Eve economy works, people may take you seriously. At the moment your posting is the equivalent of a monkey throwing faeces at the wall.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#762 - 2014-08-31 17:08:34 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
your english comprehension skills are too poor for me to continue discussion with you. have a nice day.
In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

Quote:
connect the dots and get back to me. kkthxbai.
In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

You lost the argument and you know. Inventing more and more nonsense to cover up for the previous nonsense makes it more nonsensical, not less, you know that, right?

i could never be as nonsensical as you, troll. Roll
Except that Tippia isn't trolling and now you've resorted to name calling as you know you were wrong.

Just stop posting.

i've resorted to name calling because it was earned. when someone chooses not to see sense under their nose trolling is the most likely cause.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#763 - 2014-08-31 17:09:22 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
you're so cute when you wish you knew what you were talking about and were right. Blink

In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#764 - 2014-08-31 17:09:57 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
i could never be as nonsensical as you, troll. Roll
You're wrong and you know it, you've now stooped to the level of a toddler throwing a tantrum.

When you can demonstrate that you have an understanding of how the Eve economy works, people may take you seriously. At the moment your posting is the equivalent of a monkey throwing faeces at the wall.

i don't need to demonstrate anything. the numbers speak for me.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#765 - 2014-08-31 17:10:44 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Except that Tippia isn't trolling and now you've resorted to name calling as you know you were wrong.

Just stop posting.

i've resorted to name calling because it was earned. when someone chooses not to see sense under their nose trolling is the most likely cause.
We all know why you resorted to it. It's because you were wrong and have lost the argument.

The rest of your posting is now icing on that cake.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#766 - 2014-08-31 17:10:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
you're so cute when you wish you knew what you were talking about and were right. Blink

In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

*pats on head and hands a lolli* run along now.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#767 - 2014-08-31 17:11:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Demonfist wrote:
when someone chooses not to see sense under their nose trolling is the most likely cause.
Speak for yourself.

Quote:
i don't need to demonstrate anything. the numbers speak for me.
Which numbers would they be?

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Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#768 - 2014-08-31 17:11:38 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Except that Tippia isn't trolling and now you've resorted to name calling as you know you were wrong.

Just stop posting.

i've resorted to name calling because it was earned. when someone chooses not to see sense under their nose trolling is the most likely cause.
We all know why you resorted to it. It's because you were wrong and have lost the argument.

The rest of your posting is now icing on that cake.

cool story bro. i like cake.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#769 - 2014-08-31 17:13:12 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
when someone chooses not to see sense under their nose trolling is the most likely cause.
Speak for yourself.

Quote:
i don't need to demonstrate anything. the numbers speak for me.
What numbers would they be?

i always do. thanks for the approval after the fact.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Dave Stark
#770 - 2014-08-31 17:13:27 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
i could never be as nonsensical as you, troll. Roll
You're wrong and you know it, you've now stooped to the level of a toddler throwing a tantrum.

When you can demonstrate that you have an understanding of how the Eve economy works, people may take you seriously. At the moment your posting is the equivalent of a monkey throwing faeces at the wall.

i don't need to demonstrate anything. the numbers speak for me.


except they don't.

since you still haven't proven how ganking an empty freighter is profitable, as i asked you like... 2? pages ago.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#771 - 2014-08-31 17:13:44 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
you're so cute when you wish you knew what you were talking about and were right. Blink

In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

*pats on head and hands a lolli* run along now.
Prime example.

If you had any faith in your argument, you would argue the point. You would argue and show proof your scenario is profitable.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#772 - 2014-08-31 17:14:31 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
i don't need to demonstrate anything. the numbers speak for me.

The numbers only numbers you've provided demonstrate that the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy. You understand this, right?

You lost the argument. You know this. That's why you have resorted to name-calling, evasions, and all the off-topic nonsense you've piled on for the last couple of pages. Just accept it and move on, preferably by presenting some kind of actual (supported) argument.
Gavin Dax
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#773 - 2014-08-31 17:15:42 UTC
Glathull wrote:
You know what's pathetic about all the threads like these? Just a very slight change in wording would fix the whole thing.

If you told the whiners that Concord would rep them if they were still alive when the big C showed up, everyone would be all over it. Just keep your ship alive until C gets there.

The carequeens would be all "Suck it, gankmaggots! Don't f*** with the Jesus! I have goddamn epic tank on my . . . I don't even know what the mining ships are called. Doesn't matter because Concord is REPPING my ass!"

Of course, the situation isn't really very different now, right? Just survive until Concord. That's it! You have one job!


Well if CONCORD repped instead it would give the target a chance to form a response (or for other players to come to the rescue, perhaps for a price, etc.). Conflict in HS that results in actual fights instead of ganks would be more fun IMO, just where the defender has the advantage of CONCORD on their side to make up for the fact that the aggressor gets ti choose the conditions for engagement.

Obviously, CONCORD response times would need to be better than they are now in order for more ships to be saved, and other things tweaked etc. but I wouldn't dismiss it as being the same thing or necessarily worse than what the mechanics are now.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#774 - 2014-08-31 17:16:05 UTC
Demonfist you might want to put that shovel down since you seem to have bored a hole right through the entire planet and you still havent managed to make a coherent arguement that wasnt immediatly shot down in flames.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#775 - 2014-08-31 17:16:39 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
when someone chooses not to see sense under their nose trolling is the most likely cause.
Speak for yourself.

Quote:
i don't need to demonstrate anything. the numbers speak for me.
What numbers would they be?

i always do. thanks for the approval after the fact.
Whoosh was the sound you didn't hear because the post you quoted went so far over your head that it was skipping across the ionosphere.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#776 - 2014-08-31 17:19:08 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Because he paid a price for that privilege. I was thinking of some 500 million ISK per shot. Maybe less, maybe more. That could be debated.

But, to your question: Why should someone lose his ship just because he's been outnumbered? Specially since he can be outnumbered by someone whose only effort was to buy ISBoxer and pay several accounts to CCP, which is very literally a way to pay for win.


Cost cannot be used to justify the introduction of unbalanced mechanics.

He isn't just outnumbered. He's outnumbered by a fleet specifically designed to kill him. Why should he get an i-win-button just for spending extra ISK?

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
(Now answer, why should outnumbering be a failproof tactic?)


It shouldn't be, it's not, and nobody said it should be or was. Straw men are bad, mmmkay?

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Complete and unavoidable waste of your effort caused by the action of the adversary should be a possibility both for agressors and defenders. So far, only the defenders take that chance. As I said above, that's OK with CCP and they will not do anything to change the game, so you all can rest assured that I am just wasting my time and effort.


And it is. If you web your freighter into warp, all the planning that went into setting up a gank for you is wasted. Just because you don't see the effort that's wasted doesn't mean it didn't occur.

Demonfist wrote:
in addendum, if you were found to be part of an organized group of people harassing others, you'd get slapped with RICO and they'd take down everyone. atleast in the US. also in real life you can't recreate yourself with new dna for a clean identity, forensics and no statute of limitations would catch up to you eventually. this all assumes the cops don't just shoot you in the face, which lately wouldn't be a safe bet.


Racketeering, like many other things illegal in most RL jurisdictions, is legal in New Eden. Laws in different jurisdictions are different. CONCORD is *like* a police force, it is not *identical* to one.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#777 - 2014-08-31 17:19:47 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
you're so cute when you wish you knew what you were talking about and were right. Blink

In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

*pats on head and hands a lolli* run along now.
Prime example.

If you had any faith in your argument, you would argue the point. You would argue and show proof your scenario is profitable.

i argued the point. what needed to be said was said. no more troll food will be dispensed, sorry you'll have to look elsewhere.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Dave Stark
#778 - 2014-08-31 17:22:22 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
you're so cute when you wish you knew what you were talking about and were right. Blink

In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

*pats on head and hands a lolli* run along now.
Prime example.

If you had any faith in your argument, you would argue the point. You would argue and show proof your scenario is profitable.

i argued the point. what needed to be said was said. no more troll food will be dispensed, sorry you'll have to look elsewhere.


you didn't argue the point at all, you threw a tantrum like a toddler who's had his favourite dummy taken away from him.

what needed to be said was the answer to the myriad of questions put before you. none of them were.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#779 - 2014-08-31 17:22:36 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
i argued the point.
No, you didn't. You made a bunch of baseless claims that were immediately shot down. With nothing left to offer, you dived headlong into the fallacy ditch and started splashing about feebly.

Quote:
what needed to be said was said.
Indeed: the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy. You have demonstrated this with ample clarity.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#780 - 2014-08-31 17:24:11 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Prime example.

If you had any faith in your argument, you would argue the point. You would argue and show proof your scenario is profitable.

i argued the point. what needed to be said was said. no more troll food will be dispensed, sorry you'll have to look elsewhere.
Yes we read your argument and it was wrong. But instead of backing it up and presenting more facts, you've thrown a tantrum and started name calling.

Now you refuse to show faith in what you said, because let's face it, it was wrong.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.